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The Irish government wants to pass a law that could see you or your loved ones jailed for possession of memes, cartoons or any content that could be deemed "hateful". (lemmy.ml)

submitted 10 months ago by SecurityPro@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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The Bill includes no definition of hate and is wide open to abuse by bad actors. Defend free speech – say no to this legislation, and any legislation of is kind... Anywhere!

https://x.com/FreeSpeechIre/status/1746854766032846910?t=g8nSn9maY3dX0v76oHa9Cg&s=09[https://x.com/FreeSpeechIre/status/1746854766032846910?t=g8nSn9maY3dX0v76oHa9Cg&s=09](url)

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I declare the use of the word "punish" to be hate speech.

Sorry, the moment you say you agree with this idea, you're starting down a road that goes nowhere good.

Call me names. Call my family names. Use any language you want. I don't care.

The line is when you're calling for a crime to be committed.

"Hate speech" is a convenient tool to target whoever is in power wants to at the moment.

[–] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Is calling Epstein island visitors pedos hate speech?

Seriously, these NPCs give absolutely 0 thought to the negative things brain dead laws like this enable

…is calling trump supporters Nazis hate speech? That law is gonna have quite a lot of targets if so

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Slippery slope fallacy. Hate crime laws have been on the books in America since 1968 and I'm not aware of them leading to the end of free speech in America.

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

The US has hate crime laws. It does not have hate speech laws. A hate crime requires an existing crime. You can legally shout the n-word from the rooftops. If you beat someone while shouting the n-word, your assault is upgraded to a hate crime.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Watch yourself, don't want to fall down that slippery slope.

[–] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You’re right, I haven’t given you enough time to move away down there at the bottom

Also, to reiterate another posters point: hate crime laws and hate speech laws are very different things.

The first one increases penalties for things already considered crimes, the second one criminalizes previously legal actions.

You’d have to be pretty brain dead to use those two concepts interchangeably, or to justify each other (which they often are)

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The bill covers both hate speech and hate crimes. Which aspects of the bill do you take issue with? I personally don't think it should be legal to incite violence against people of a protected class. I didn't realize that was such a hot take.