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YouTube’s climate deniers turn into climate doomers — A new report documents a sharp rise in arguments that clean energy and climate policies won’t work (grist.org)

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YouTube’s climate deniers turn into climate doomers — A new report documents a sharp rise in arguments that clean energy and climate policies won’t work::A new report documents a shift away from climate denial and a sharp rise in arguments that clean energy and climate policies won't work.

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[–] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 42 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The amount of Doomers on Lemmy and Reddit is depressingly large as well. It's du jour to act like any talk of climate positivity is naive, change is impossible and collapse is inevitable. Just look at the popularity of whole subs dedicated to Collapse and Doomer material. It's exhausting trying to challenge the position of some of these users, yet we must try. Hope is an important part of tackling the climate challenges we're facing, and the glamorisation of defeatism isn't going to help foster that.

[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Mindless optimism isn't the answer either. We need real change immediately, the window to slam on the brakes as a species is already behind us arguably. The only answer is to be both realistic AND ambitious.

[–] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No one said anything about mindless optimism. You are correct, change is needed and fast, but relentless pessimism achieves nothing except foster defeat. I'm advocating for a realistic approach to how we look at climate change mitigation. Part of being realistic is understanding that things may not be as hopeless as parts of the Internet would like you to believe.

[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not saying we need to write everything off as hopeless, I'm saying we need to recognize that a lot of current efforts amount to greenwashing and ARE hopeless or even pointless (carbon credits for one are a good scam that comes to mind). The best work is being done by people chaining themselves to trees and sabotaging oil pipelines, not those writing policy with pockets full of cash... and this honestly comes off as apologetic for the latter and more than a little naive to me.

[–] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then I think we're talking at cross purposes. Believe me, I understand the scale of the task and I understand that performative action can be just as damaging as doing nothing at all. However my point is that by only and exclusively focusing on the negative you risk giving the impression that any action is pointless. Those people that you mention chaining themselves to trees etc do so because they believe that it is the only way to achieve the change that is required, but they do believe that change is possible, otherwise why bother? Marinate those same people in a exclusive culture of "we're all doomed, change is pointless because it's too late and it's naive to think otherwise" and soon enough you won't have anyone chaining themselves to anything because you've managed to convince them, wrongly, that it's a waste of time.

There's a psychological aspect to fighting climate change that I think people forget. You need motivation and determination and I belive you get that by staying informed of both the bad and the good work that is being done. Celebrating the little wins so we can continue to push for the big ones. I hope that makes my point a bit clearer? Maybe these articles will do a better job of explaining what I mean, lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/26/we-cant-afford-to-be-climate-doomers

https://grist.org/climate-energy/hope-and-fellowship/

[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well obviously hope and optimism and nuance are important here, I can't entirely disagree with that I'm just saying we need to support illegalist climate action uncritically (except in the case of complicated, shady organizations like PETA) and we can't expect those in power to act sensibly as a general rule.

[–] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Agreed! :) I'm not sure where you are in the world but, if you can, you might be interested in this:

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/chris-packham-is-it-time-to-break-the-law

[–] clayh@lemmy.ml -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

DuJour means friendship!

[–] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/du%20jour

[–] clayh@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Thanks, Poindexter.

https://youtu.be/LwmPrX97sQY

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I love that movie

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