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    [–] herrwoland@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Why is Ubuntu getting so much hate? it was a good entrance for many people into the Linux world

    [–] CatTrickery@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It started when they started including Amazon sponsored results in the menu search really. These days using apt occasionally will install a snap package instead of a deb. It doesn't give people a good jumping on point and it teaches that linux is more difficult than it has to be.

    [–] nailbar@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago

    Ubuntu's use of Snap made me go back to Arch.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

    Try Linux Mint

    [–] TooLazyDidntName@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    Firefox snap doesn't work with keepassxc browser integration and smart cards randomly, so I uninstalled the default snap on ubuntu, edited configs to make sure it didnt grab snap by default, and then install the deb Firefox.

    Every single fucking time I did a distro upgrade, ubuntu uninstalled deb Firefox, rwdis the configs to automatically install snap Firefox, and then reinstalled snap Firefox.

    One of the reasons I left windows was because it kept changing my default browser. How is ubuntu any better?

    I started my linux journey on ubuntu 11.10. I have some real nostalgia and loyalty to that platform, but I recently gave up on it and switched to fedora because of its relentless self-promotion is snap. I feel like you'd be doing a disservice to recommend it as a gateway into Linux to someone nowadays.

    [–] nul9o9@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    Oooooh, that'd really rub me the wrong way. My wife is still on a Windows PC. She'll ask my why certain changes she made get reverted, and my default answer is "Microsoft thinks it knows better than you".

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

    Canonical has a long history of thinking it knows better than you, but funneling everyone into their closed-source walled-garden our-way-or-the-highway gonna-charge-money-the-moment-we-figure-out-the-legality Snap Store sure if the most Microsofty.

    [–] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    It USED to be OK. Now, it's just bloat, ads for snaps and pro features.

    [–] Montagge@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    Can someone please show me these ads for snaps? I've been using Ubuntu for almost 4 years and I've never seen an ad for anything.

    [–] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    They don't really asvertise snaps in the OS per say, but they do push users to use snaps instead of .deb packages. Why? My best guess is they wanna monopozie the portable app market (Snaps, Flatpak, AppImage) and become sort of like what systemd is now - unreasonable to ask to use anything else but systemd.

    Pro features ads are right there when you do apt update or apt upgrade (can't remember which one of these, maybe both).

    [–] Montagge@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    Is it an ad or is it just letting you know about a feature you can use? I don't personally consider that an ad.

    Unpopular opinion I prefer snaps over flatpak. At least when I update snaps I actually know how much is going to be downloaded lol

    [–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

    They forced Firefox's default package into a snap recently. They did this without integrating with Gnome or common plugins like password managers. This of course broke a ton of shit out of the blue.

    Then, to get Firefox off of snap, you have to do a non zero amount of config instead of giving the users a simple option at install. If you mess that config up at all, the next Firefox update just goes back to snap.

    Forcing people's primary application into an Canonical controlled packaging system is likely worse than an ad, honestly. It made it very clear to me that Ubuntu did not respect user choice like it used to, so i migrated off of it.

    [–] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    Smart move 👍.

    Out of curiosity, what do you use now? LMDE?

    [–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

    I bounced around to Debain and opensuse tumbleweed, but landed on pop-os. Ubuntu without snap nonsense, optional i3 tiling manager implementation, "just works."

    For the server side, ive moved to Debian. Nothing lost at all.