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Is the bot/troll situation getting worse? (lemmy.giftedmc.com)
submitted 10 months ago by haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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It feels like the amount of both, divisive posts and ghoulish comments is rising again.

One could argue that the world has a lot of divisive stuff going on and lemmy just talks about it. But the way people post about stuff seems more oot and hateful than it has been in the past.

Not saying it is that but if I wanted to bring the Fediverse down or at least keep my customers from going there, I would sow this stuff as much as I can.

I'm blocking ghouls left right and center atm but if I ever asked a friend to join lemmy, I'd hate to think of what they would see that I dont anymore.

Do we need stronger moderation?

  • Maybe ban politics from c/memes?
  • Become a little more stringent on "dont be a jerk" rules in communities?

One thing that really bothers me is the collapsing "discourse". Trying to mend fences and keep the conversation between sides going ime leads to nothing but downvotes and shitstorm.

I feel like a little more interaction (instead of intervention, at first) of the moderators would do wonders there.

Thanks for reading this rant. Have a nice day.

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[–] CherenkovBlue@iusearchlinux.fyi 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, can you specify the topics or give specific examples of this shitty behavior you speak of? Without examples it is impossible to determine if you are discussing behavior that is straight-up pathological (e.g. name-calling) or people having a different opinion.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Okay, I did mention it in another comment but I didnt do so in the main post. Thanks for pointing it out.

I‘m talking about name calling, ad hominem attacks, ridicule, twisting words, bad faith arguments. So, mostly abusive language/rhetoric, not disagreement or different opinions.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

how do you differentiate what you perceive as bad faith vs disagreement and differing opinions?

i frequently see simple disagreement here being painted as bad faith when its just... disagreement.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wikipedia:

Bad faith (Latin: mala fides) is a sustained form of deception which consists of entertaining or pretending to entertain one set of feelings while acting as if influenced by another. It is associated with hypocrisy, breach of contract, affectation, and lip service.

Here are some nice examples. I can’t come up with a perfect example rn. https://www.grammarly.com/blog/bad-faith-good-faith/

It boils down to essentially playing devils advocate just to shut someone up.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i know what it is, i was asking for more specifics about what you see on lemmy.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I‘m not sure I understand your question. Do you want me to come up with examples from lemmy?

[–] MaximilianKohler@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

And to the contrary, I've seen people claiming blatant bad-faith behavior as "just disagreement".