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Experts say Canada's regulations around parking, which in many cases is free, contributes to Canada’s housing crisis. What can be done about it?

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[–] FlareHeart@lemmy.ca 24 points 9 months ago (11 children)

If you aren't going to give us walkable cities or really efficient public transit, then we need cars and therefore need the parking. There is no way in this or any world that I am hauling $300 worth of groceries to a bus stop, just to sit there and wait half an hour (at -20C) for a dilapidated bus that may or may not even run on time and has the risk of someone stealing some of those overpriced groceries on the 30 minute ride it would take to get home.

I live in Saskatchewan and it will very frequently get to -30 or below. I cannot ride a bike in that safely without risk of frost bite, so cycling is out of the question (at least in the winter). I drive as small of a car as I could buy, but even small cars are dwindling now in favor of the giant SUV's and pickup trucks that seem to think they own both the road and the parking lots. The public transit in my city is so inefficient that it would take me an hour worth of riding the bus, and a transfer, just to get downtown. I can drive that in 10 minutes. Getting to the other side of the city? 90 minutes to 2 hours and multiple transfers. Or 15 to 20 minutes by car.

Our public transit and walk-ability needs to be remedied long before you start building over parking lots. Businesses with no parking will suffer a lack of business if there is no parking and no change to the current systems.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Your comment seems very "all or nothing". No one's talking about eliminating all parking everywhere tomorrow. However a large percentage of our parking is never used and this the problem is exacerbated by mandatory parking minimums as the article points out. From the article:

“We have a chicken and egg problem. The problem is we want dense development but development isn’t initially dense enough,” said Dawn Parker, a professor at the University of Waterloo’s School of Planning. “Retail activities, other activities, employment locations are so spread-out people still need to have a car.”

Plus, with our system of free parking, those in our society who can't afford cars/aren't able to drive are subsidizing you and me when we drive places. The cost of parking is split amongst all customers (in the case of private parking) or residents (in the case of municipal lots), even those who take public transit, walk, or bike.

I do want to comment on a few things you said:

There is no way in this or any world that I am hauling $300 worth of groceries to a bus stop, just to sit there and wait half an hour (at -20C) for a dilapidated bus that may or may not even run on time and has the risk of someone stealing some of those overpriced groceries on the 30 minute ride it would take to get home.

You probably buy $300 worth of groceries at a time because the store is inconvenient to get to (due to Euclidean Zoning and our general lack of density). I honestly do the same thing. However, when I lived in a denser city, I commuted by bike or bus and would grab groceries every day on my way home, and it added minimal time to my travel. I'm not arguing you should move or drastically change your life, but that the city should improve around you.

Similarly, all the problems with the bus are trivially solvable if we chose to invest in public transit instead of the ridiculous amount we spend on roads and car infrastructure.

I live in Saskatchewan and it will very frequently get to -30 or below. I cannot ride a bike in that safely without risk of frost bite, so cycling is out of the question (at least in the winter).

Ehhh . . . Oulu, Finland would disagree with this, as would I. I definitely feel less motivated to go out in the cold, but it's possible with the correct infrastructure and clothing.

[–] FlareHeart@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

However a large percentage of our parking is never used and this the problem is exacerbated by mandatory parking minimums as the article points out.

I find "never" to be an exaggeration. The lots are used during the business hours of whatever business owns that lot. Does that mean there is a significant chunk of time where there is no one parked there? Sure, but it's certainly not "never." In Regina, I can't think of a single parking lot I have ever seen that didn't have at least SOMEONE parked there. Street parking is used quite frequently as well. Parking in the downtown core is a ridiculous race of "first come first served" because there literally isn't enough parking downtown for all of the employees that work there.

Plus, with our system of free parking, those in our society who can’t afford cars/aren’t able to drive are subsidizing you and me when we drive places. The cost of parking is split amongst all customers (in the case of private parking) or residents (in the case of municipal lots), even those who take public transit, walk, or bike.

The downtown core of Regina (talked about in the article) is NOT free parking. At all. There is no free parking to be found in the downtown core at all (that isn't like 3 spots reserved for particular business customers). Residential areas get basic street parking (not lots). There are very few "parking lots" in residential areas. The only free lots are outside major shopping centers that are outside the downtown core, and those often have spots reserved for customers of those shopping centers.

You probably buy $300 worth of groceries at a time because the store is inconvenient to get to (due to Euclidean Zoning and our general lack of density). I honestly do the same thing. However, when I lived in a denser city, I commuted by bike or bus and would grab groceries every day on my way home, and it added minimal time to my travel. I’m not arguing you should move or drastically change your life, but that the city should improve around you.

I buy $300 worth of groceries at a time because I work from home and any trips outside my house are specifically for errands, so groceries/errands become a dedicated trip because I don't have an "on the way home from work" sort of schedule.

But yes, a big part of the issue is zoning. I live in a newer "high density" neighborhood. Large condo buildings, narrow streets, almost no on-street parking due to said narrow streets, I get one spot in my back alley for my small car (and I'm charged an extra $100 per month on my rent for it), and the grocery store is still a 30 minute walk/10 minute bike ride away. It could absolutely be made better with some better designed bus routes, better zoning designs, and some effort. Sadly most cities don't seem interested in walkable cities or investing in public transit.

I would love to see more dedicated bike lanes (there are none in my neighborhood), short-haul bus routes specifically between the grocery stores and nearby residential areas to make hauling groceries home less of a chore, more sheltered bus stops to protect from both heat and cold, and less resistance to things like e-bikes and such that would make the trips less onerous. There's still a big stigma in Regina regarding e-bikes and scooters for some reason despite their benefits.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

I didn't mean whole empty parking lots, I meant space that never get used. At most big-box/large grocery stores, I'd say probably 1/4 of the spots never get used. Another good percentage of them only get used on holidays/sale days.

I had a longer comment, but I realize I don't need to explain these things to you, you're already very well versed!

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