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[–] wjrii@kbin.social 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)
  • Galaxy spanning empire with unseen emperor.
  • Spice as a valuable commodity
  • Desert planet to include skeleton of wormlike creature and suited inhabitants
  • Secretive sect of religious warriors with magical powers
  • Chosen one narrative with a dead dad

Now that said, almost every one of these is sort of set dressing and skin deep, and changed drastically in some fundamental way. Lucas was also not exploring remotely the same thematic ground as Herbert. He owes some of the world building to ideas lifted from Dune, without a doubt, but also to Lensman and Flash Gordon and John Carter of Mars. He owes plot and structure to Kurosawa ad Sergio Leone, and themes to Joseph Campbell and three thousand years of adventure tales, fairy tales, and coming of age stories. the only thing "original" about Star Wars is the integration of so many disparate influences into a coherent whole. You could argue that Dune was exploring more sophisticated themes and had a more actionable morality, but Herbert was flattering himself that Star Wars was a "ripoff." The influences were obvious, but they were just one hopper of grist for the Lucas mill.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What's the spice supposed to be in star wars?

[–] wjrii@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's only a throwaway reference in the original movie, but ultimately, as is the way with Star Wars, the lore was expanded and it was declared to be a sort of general purpose narcotic, possibly mildly involving telepathy, suitable mostly for inspiring organized crime plotlines. It's pretty different from Herbert's spice.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

The greater lore is so vast in sure everything has been referenced, but it's not a significant point in the main story

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