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I still don’t understand the need of putting so much time and energy into DE #284838284. I have been using KDE for ages and if I don‘t like the looks of it, I change them. Other than that, 99% of my daily use of a linux is independent of any DE. I actually don’t even care what DE it is. Just give me a Terminal Emulator and a graphical desktop to run software.
Do you realize how far you are from the average computer user? DEs and GUIs are very important for most people, and are one of the biggest "selling factors" for attracting new users.
You are right, but in the end there are so many good choices already. Reminds me of this: xkcd #927
I see your point, but things get more complicated than that, because there are different design choices in many DEs, and you can't simply change the design choices of an existing project. Some, like gnome, are particularly inflexible in that aspect, and won't add some features, even if there's a high user demand.
They like GNOME, obviously, but they also diverge quite a lot from its workflow (not to say to the better, I have only minimal GNOME experience and no Cosmic Epoch experience).
They want something with their native tiling out of the box, written entirely in Rust. And they are doing something really beneficial here, tbh unlike all the other projects that want to implement their own stuff.
I agree that we dont need more fragmentation, but Kwin and Mutter are both written in memory unsafe languages, and I have many memory safety errors in KDE.
For sure a polished KDE plasma 6 is more usable than their alpha, but
So while I think I dont really like their type of Desktop (I like KDE but tbh I think I could also change to the GNOME style), I sure hope that KDE will switch to Rust more.
Problematic is that KDE is completely and entirely tied to Qt, which is C++ and C only pretty much. This makes KDE waaay to stubborn and I honestly dont think they will every change to Rust at all.
Budgie already thought of using Smithay / Cosmics compositor, but it wasnt ready (I think thats the reason). I think that was a mistake, but its a hard choice.
I think that's one thing about open source project : a lot of people work for free so they invest time on what they want and like. I don't know if it's what happens here, but I think in general it is not fair to ask for an optimal time management in open source communities.
I would be just like you if it weren't that with KDE dragging windows show visible lag and moving them from screen A to screen B causes a micro stutter, the PC lagging into a stop if I drag the window in between screens nonstop.
This doesn't happen in gnome. It really sucks, because like you, I prefer having the freedom of customising everything to my liking in KDE, but the window behaviour with an nvidia card is simply not acceptable. Until that changes, I'll stay in the dog house.
Oh, usually I‘m very sensitive with things like that, but have not noticed any lags/stutters and I‘m someone who immediately sees when the screen is below 120Hz. I use Garuda on my gaming pc and Debian Sid on my old Acer notebook, both with Nvidia GPU‘s. Hopefully they will release a fix soon. Did you already try nouveau? Or KDE 6?
Not yet, my system is kinda scuffed because I didn't want to lose the windows disk when I swapped, so I bought a nvme to usb adapter and installed Linux there. It's a prior m2 nvme so data corruption is not an issue, but on launch sometimes it fails, and kde sadly locks itself quite a lot, so I will stay on gnome (which I need to start with gdm from a separate tty, it fails, and restart the service. I know, really scuffed but it doesn't lock all the ttys at least) until I get a new mobo, which will come with a full system upgrade (and pass down my current system to my so, which uses windows, so yay) and will get an amd card, so I hope both problems fix themselves.
About this scuffed issue, I have checked journalctl and there's nothing apperent. It's just that sometimes it fails to launch everything at the speed the DE wants at startup, and restarting after a fail lets the system load everything. After the login it works flawlessly so w/e, laugh at my stupidity I guess.
About noveau, that's not really viable since its performance with games is pretty subpar and I like to play pretty demanding games.