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How intelligible are Turkish and Azeri? I know they are close enough, but I wonder if it similar to Scottish English vs. American English or farther, more like Spanish vs. Portuguese?

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[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm aware, but even there the line between Scots and Scottish English is a pretty blurry distinction. It almost means "Scottish where I can only usually figure out what word that was" more than anything. Serbian and Croatian from my example are even closer than that, very much like Scottish and British or American English, with the main distinction that separates them being just whether it's written with Latin letters or Cyrillic.

It's a bit like if there was no Scots language, and the people in Scotland just still used runes to write but spoke the same language, except with even more old animosity fueled by previous governments.

[–] my_hat_stinks@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make. You're objectively wrong about “Scottish where I can only usually figure out what word that was”, and the most obvious point against that is that people living here regularly code-switch between Scots and Scottish English and understand both.

The phrase "naw A'm urnae" is undoubtedly Scots and wouldn't make grammatical sense in a word-for-word English translation ("no I'm aren't" or "no I'm are not"), the phrase "dialects used outwith Scotland" is clearly Scottish English. These are very distinctly different, the blurriness I mentioned before is simply from the fact most people speaking Scots also speak Scottish English and code-switch. The fact you seem to be unable to place the line does not mean one does not exist. That's like claiming blue and green are the same because you can't identify the exact crossover where blue becomes green.

Scottish English is the dialect of English spoken in Scotland. Scots is a distinct Anglic language which evolved in Scotland. Being unable to draw the line between them does not make them the same thing, and being able to figure out what a word is definitely doesn't change what language it's part of.