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Women earn less than men in 8 of the 10 most common jobs (nltimes.nl)
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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For the Dutch...

But most companies want to pay as little as possible, and worker want paid as much

Men are more willing to negotiate for a higher wage. Not all of them, but enough that usually explains this effect for entry level jobs. And a very sizable amount take at least a few years out of work for kids, and that gap usually causes them to earn less when they go back. And that set back keeps them out of the highest positions most of the time, which is why this gap is higher as age increases.

[–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For the US at least:

"New research by Vanderbilt Professor Jessica A. Kennedy finds the gender difference in tendency to negotiate has now reversed, and the widespread narrative that women don’t ask is outdated. While other measures are necessary to completely close the gender pay gap, the study also discusses how people who believe and adhere to the notion that “women don’t ask” hinder progress. "

https://business.vanderbilt.edu/news/2023/09/05/stop-blaming-women-for-the-gender-pay-gap/#:~:text=New%20research%20out%20of%20Vanderbilt,more%20likely%20to%20be%20rejected.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In one study, 990 participants who graduated from business school between 2015 and 2019 were asked a series of questions about their job search, the essential one being, “Did you negotiate your job offer?” Fifty-four percent of women reported negotiating offers compared to 44% of men, contradicting the idea that women don’t ask.

Studies were just people who went to business school...

Like, that's probably the most likely field to negotiate...

But that author is starting from a flawed premise. Rather than thinking some women are less likely to negotiate due to society norms or not being the primary earner, she thought it meant men were better negotiators.

Women get paid less, because they accept jobs for less pay. Name one company you think is honestly going:

We could pay a man 100k, or we could hire a woman for 80k, so let's pay more so our employee has a dick

Negotiating isn't just getting a job and then trying to get more money, it factors in when looking and applying for jobs with listed salary

It's a complicated issue that's deeper than "negotiating". But even your article didn't get it into the nitry gritty. Because there's only so much time to go over it.

People simplify things for ease of communication. Not spending 2 hours to list out ever factor in a social media comment doesn't mean the factors don't exist. Just who has the time to get that deep?

Your professionally written article doesn't even really get into it.

Because normal people won't read all that stuff