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Not to be a downer but... how did people not anticipate this happening? Google is likely going to do everything they can to shut down non-official clients like Piped, since they're sidestepping all of YouTube's revenue streams. Hopefully they don't take the nuclear option and somehow lock down the API and make it much harder to download videos via tools like yt-dlp.
I'm pretty sure most people anticipated it at some point. I just seems to be starting now.
Well, if they implement their web integrity DRM thingy in Chrome and Youtube then that will prevent anything that's not a real approved browser from accessing the website, and with that the video streams. Not only Piped/Newpipe, but anything automated trying to access any website will be automatically locked out unless the website approves of it. New search engine bot? Archiving crawlers? Any type of third party program that accesses some website's content without approval? Dead.
Yeah we're basically hurting their revenue by using Piped and other ways to bypass Google's ads. They wouldn't be profitable if everyone stopped watching those ads
Noooooooooo! The poor google 😢
their $412,378/s has been reduced to $412,367/s! 😭 😭
Yeah, they should provide thousands of gigiabits of video streaming to everyone for free. It's our right!
It's not for free. They use your data. Also most of these 'free' videos are made by enthusiasts.
Most of what they use your data for is to serve you ads. If you're blocking ads, that data isn't all that valuable.
They still have valuable data, they collect how interesting something is, so you're even contributing to the algorithm and you essentially advertise videos you're watching to other users with similar interests on the platform. People without adblock will come plenty.
That ad blocking on Youtube makes you a worthless user for anyone on there is just not true.
I would consider disabling my ad-blocker on there and use official clients, but they are just going so far beyond anything i could take with how many ads i'm getting then. I see it as their fault not being able to find an acceptable amount.
Enthusiasts who want to earn money off the platform, yes.
Ah yes, because humans never want to share information, or show others something they've achieved or created. The only possible motivation could be money.
That's not what I'm saying, but these people choose to upload their content to YouTube specifically, so what's your point?
That's there's not really another platform to upload to that you can easily share long form video content on, for free? I don't understand your point now.
My point is that nothing is free. You can't have it both ways.
What? My initial point was people wanted to share things like information or creativity and youtube is one of the only viable places to upload too. I literally don't understand your points.
Yes but they can't anyways because google never fixed their completely borked content ID system. Half the people I watch just assume that all of their videos will be demonitized anyways. They make all of their money off of patreon.
I'm no Google fan, but it's borderline impossible to moderate a site of that size. It's a legal nightmare that cannot be solved by just humans. Read some articles about the human moderators of sites like YouTube and Facebook. Those people see some shit.
But yes, YouTube should definitely improve their escalation system, and pay more attention to refuted strikes. It sucks to see innocent creators get punished by a broken system.
As a contributor who doesn't monetize videos, you don't speak for everyone.
Big platforms tend to forget they're big because they're free. It's our duty to remind them.
I wish the product was somewhat good too. Piped has features that even YT Premium users don't have.
They print money, sorry i lost my pity for multi billion dollar internet giants.
You know they wouldn’t get paid if nobody watched the ads. And if they didn’t get paid they wouldn’t have any reason to pay to run the site. Explaining that a corporation will not run a site like YouTube for free (which it wouldn’t even be, it costs a lot of money to run) if they weren’t getting paid. Quit attacking other users simply for pointing out facts. It’s beneath you (I think)
I never said that Google is on the verge of collapse, nor did I defend them. I merely stated that Google is a corporation, driven by profit, and expecting Google to act in the interest of anything but their own profits is a fool’s fantasy. Quit putting words in people’s mouths. It’s unbecoming of anyone that wants to have a legitimate discussion and it’s just toxic.
*paid
They’re making plenty of profit selling all of our data  and getting ad revenue from the 95%+ of other users who aren’t blocking them.
I'd wager that it's closer to 99.999%.
Yeah since i don't have any figures I just went sort of conservative with the estimate
Exactly, you either get my data or my money. That's how I feel about every service nowadays, I don't think its unethical to subvert payment requirements when they have been selling my privacy for years.
It amazes me how entitled these Internet hippies are nowadays. You can't expect someone to provide such a huge service for free. If you don't like ads, pay for it. It's like $5 per month when you pay as a group..
I would pay if
Google promised not collect any data but now you would pay and have your data collected.
I just want load my subscription feed and they are all there not hidden away.
Hid shorts or have them on separate tab.
Bonus would be if related videos where acutely related videos in time span. Not the mess they are now.
Also why would I have to pay YouTube music? I don’t want that.
I would pay if they let me without compromising my anonymity.
They make enough money off the rubes. They should just let us nerds have this one.
I'd rather Youtube and Google itself be split up under anti-trust laws. I don't want them to exist.
I'd rather people build smaller video websites for niche subjects so the internet is decentralized to the extent it was when it first started.
Nobody is forcing you to use their services.
Actually they are, because Google controls 90% of the internet, most cell phones while Apple controls the rest and does the same, meaning we consumers don't get a choice.
We're just slaves.
Google doesn't control shit, and you're referring to the web, not the internet. Nobody forces you to use YouTube, Maps or their search engine. The websites you visit choose to incorporate Google analytics and ads, which you can easily block if you feel enslaved in that sense.
Most people's phones actually do, especially iPhone users, so that's not true.
So don't buy a fucking iPhone or a Google Pixel or whatever, it's your choice.
Meaning now I cannot use any phone and am now locked out of the modern age.
Your refusal to admit a problem does not remove that problem.
There are plenty of options for running Android distributions free of Google influence.
Keep trying to avoid admitting the truth all you want to, you're still wrong about this.
Wrong about what? I'm stating facts and you're crying about being forced to use products by big companies, which is entirely incorrect.
You're missing the greater point, and that's the problem. Think about what we're all trying to tell you for five minutes.