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Lemmy.ml is also one of the worst offenders spreading authoritarian propaganda for the CCP and Kremlin. I hate Lemmy.ml
Examples?
I occasionally see this argument but not yet seen any evidence to back it up.
Same here. I discuss a lot with .ml and besides dumping on capitalism a lot (and rightfully so), I havent seen anything supporting this claim either.
I just searched "china", and didn't notice any authoritarian propaganda in the first 3 pages, but I counted 6 anti-chinese stories.
The closest to pro-chinese stories that came up were that EU citizens can now travel to China visa-free, the CEO of evergrande getting fined and banned from business, and some news story about economic numbers.
Would you care to point it out to me?
Propaganda isn't obvious like that, and the core of most propaganda is truthful. Generally speaking you need to look at the big picture and what key actors want to be able to see probable propaganda.
They'll never say "the CCP is great and Taiwanese people don't deserve freedom," but they undermine people who would defend Taiwan and help shape things so an attack is more likely to succeed (e.g., supporting the Kremlin's attack on Ukrainians).
Not really interested in discussing it more with a Lemmy.ml user. I've seen too much bad faith engagement and don't want to waste my time. Apologies if you're actually sincere.
I think I see the disconnect, you conflate the safety of the state of Taiwan and Ukraine with the people so statements like "I don't think we should sacrifice a million Ukrainians to weaken Russia" come off as undermining the defense of Ukraine.
I'm certain even the pro-independence people living in Taiwan would prefer status quo to looking like Ukraine.
I don't understand what you're trying to say
its pretty clear. You're conversing with a tankie.
My guess is it's actually an LLM.
How am I to tell who is a tankie, vs a wumao, vs a Russian bot troll? It can be hard to tell who is commenting in good faith.
I'm kidding, of course. I just block them all. No one using these talking points is worth my time.
Surely anyone who isn't just begging for rivers of foreign blood must be a robot. Just inconceivable that anyone could want less bloodshed.
Why engage with someone who uses a complete hyperbolic strawman like this
A state and it's people's interests aren't the same.
Take self-determination movements; the people in eastern Ukraine want to leave, the state of Ukraine doesn't want to give up territory.
Supporting the state in this case is opposing the people, supporting the people is opposing the state.
If I was in Russia, I'd have pointed at Syrian Kurdistan before the US invasion/occupation of Syria.
More lies from lemmy.ml, no surprise. The people of eastern Ukraine want to be part of Ukraine. Even the Russian speakers in Ukraine want to be part of Ukraine 2:1.
That was in 2014, there wasn't even a coherent Ukrainian state and they were going through new presidents every month. A lot changed over the next 10 years. Western Ukraine was shelling Eastern Ukraine right up until the day of the invasion.
Gotta love tankies unironically parroting Putin's disinformation.
Are you suggesting Putin controlled CNN and Al Jazeera English 10 years ago?
Because I'm just recounting what I saw on the news.
do you have any proof of this?
I assume I'd have to hack into the CCP's computer networks to get proof.
what's the point of making things up like this, then?
Wow, personal attacks from a lemmy.ml user, truly shocking.
i didn't make any personal attacks, and i'm on kolektiva
You essentially called me a liar, that's an attack.
if you think I violated a rule you should report it.
Don't waste your time, that user is delusional.