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Moving away from Nextcloud AIO, where do I start setting up a Nextcloud instance WITHOUT Docker? (lemmy.world)
submitted 7 months ago by stardustsystem@lemmy.world to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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Hi selfhosted! Hope you're having a good day :)

I'm pretty new to self-hosting and have been traipsing through a minefield attempting to make NextCloud AIO work inside Docker. The instance runs for a few days/weeks and then starts getting extremely slow on the website, then dies entirely. Usually, either the ClamAV or Apache containers get stuck in an unhealthy state that no number of reboots or reinstalls can fix.

Quick context for how this all works. I have one machine that runs Proxmox and a group of VMs for various purposes. One such VM runs my Nextcloud. This VM is running Ubuntu 23.10, Docker, and the NextCloud AIO package.

Another VM hosts OpenMediaVault, which contains a set of SMB Shares mounted to the host VM that act as storage for NextCloud. The symlinks (I think I'm using that word right) on the host VM have user and group permissions updated according to AIO's documentation. Proxmox is configured to boot this VM first, then boot the rest in sequence once the files are available.

Right now I've got Nextcloud handling Synchronization of Files, Calendars, Contacts, and Kanban boards via the Deck Extension. Everything else can be abandoned at this point, these are the only functions I'm truly using. If this gives you an idea for an alternative app I'd love to hear it.

So after AIO broke for about the 5th time in the 8 months since I started trying to self-host it, I've been looking at alternatives. Before I go that route, I want to try installing Nextcloud without Docker. Some of the posts I've read here suggest that the Docker distribution of NextCloud has serious issues with stability and safely installing updates.

I plan to make a new VM entirely for this, Distro undecided. I still want to run it as a VM and still use my SMB shares for bulk storage.

So where would I begin if I planned to install NextCloud directly to the VM rather than through Docker?

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

Nextcloud is just a php app. As long as you can run postgres and apache, you're golden. How to do that depends on your distro, but usually just involves installing apache and postgres from your package manager.

Once you have apache and postgres installed, consult this page on how to run nextcloud. It's not too hard, just copy nextcloud files to apache directory and edit some configuration file.

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You don't even need Apache, you can run it with Nginx or Caddy, all you need is a webserver that supports interactions with php-fpm.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Using apache is smoother for beginner though because nextcloud can configure some of the webserver configuration it needs by generating a .htaccess file by itself without user intervention. On nginx you might need to tweak the webserver configuration yourself every once in a while when you update nextcloud, which OP seems to hate to do.

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