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Moving away from Nextcloud AIO, where do I start setting up a Nextcloud instance WITHOUT Docker? (lemmy.world)
submitted 7 months ago by stardustsystem@lemmy.world to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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Hi selfhosted! Hope you're having a good day :)

I'm pretty new to self-hosting and have been traipsing through a minefield attempting to make NextCloud AIO work inside Docker. The instance runs for a few days/weeks and then starts getting extremely slow on the website, then dies entirely. Usually, either the ClamAV or Apache containers get stuck in an unhealthy state that no number of reboots or reinstalls can fix.

Quick context for how this all works. I have one machine that runs Proxmox and a group of VMs for various purposes. One such VM runs my Nextcloud. This VM is running Ubuntu 23.10, Docker, and the NextCloud AIO package.

Another VM hosts OpenMediaVault, which contains a set of SMB Shares mounted to the host VM that act as storage for NextCloud. The symlinks (I think I'm using that word right) on the host VM have user and group permissions updated according to AIO's documentation. Proxmox is configured to boot this VM first, then boot the rest in sequence once the files are available.

Right now I've got Nextcloud handling Synchronization of Files, Calendars, Contacts, and Kanban boards via the Deck Extension. Everything else can be abandoned at this point, these are the only functions I'm truly using. If this gives you an idea for an alternative app I'd love to hear it.

So after AIO broke for about the 5th time in the 8 months since I started trying to self-host it, I've been looking at alternatives. Before I go that route, I want to try installing Nextcloud without Docker. Some of the posts I've read here suggest that the Docker distribution of NextCloud has serious issues with stability and safely installing updates.

I plan to make a new VM entirely for this, Distro undecided. I still want to run it as a VM and still use my SMB shares for bulk storage.

So where would I begin if I planned to install NextCloud directly to the VM rather than through Docker?

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

Nextcloud is just a php app. As long as you can run postgres and apache, you're golden. How to do that depends on your distro, but usually just involves installing apache and postgres from your package manager.

Once you have apache and postgres installed, consult this page on how to run nextcloud. It's not too hard, just copy nextcloud files to apache directory and edit some configuration file.

[–] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The original appeal of the AIO package is that it handles all that for you, but I'm beginning to think this is the only way forward that doesn't break the bank on hosting costs or break the software on update.

Sincerely appreciate your input!

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

One thing to watch for is file permissions. Just make sure it's all set to www-data and you're golden.

[–] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is very much what messed up my last install. Errors kept telling me that I needed to update file owners to 33:0, despite having done that on every mount point on the Ubuntu server. I even tried updating the ACLs from inside OpenMediaVault, but no dice. In hindsight I'm pretty sure that was stupid but it was already broken at that point and I was trying anything.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 2 points 7 months ago

Some distro actually do not map www-data user to UID 33, so if you're on one of those distro, changing file owner to UID 33 won't help you. Pretty sure Ubuntu use UID 33 though, but I've seen people on other distros getting bitten by this. Also, some container systems can remap file ownership when mounting a volume.

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