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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 24 points 7 months ago (16 children)

Except of course none of these are UBI experiments. The U has been completely forgotten.

They're trying to water down the idea of UBI to renaming "benefits". There's only one class of people who would find this advantageous, and it ain't us.

The reality is that we won't know for sure how it works across an entire population until a small country changes its tax structure to make this possible across everyone. Would people quit shit jobs more often? Would minimum wage be abolished? How much work is considered saturation when all the crap is stripped away?

Real actual UBI would be an enormous societal change (I believe for the better), and I'm not sure that giving a handful of poor people some money and watching them spend it on things they need to survive is particularly worthwhile. We know that. It's everyone else that might throw a spanner in the works.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago (8 children)

This has been my primary question about UBI: if landlords know that everybody has an extra $1000 per month, what stops them from raising rent by exactly that amount?

My biggest concern with UBI is that it would be great for a couple of years, and then the greedy fingers of capitalism would find a way to start clawing it back. I don’t see how UBI works without including a bunch of protections to keep the newly financially stable populace from being exploited again.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Because we've already capped annual rent increases and stood up a special part of the DOJ to prosecute any price cartels.

UBI doesn't answer every problem. That doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

For the record, I don’t think it is a bad idea—I want it to be a good idea and I would benefit from it.

I just don’t trust corpo America to let us normies experience an increase in our quality of life without it putting a target on our backs.

I’m glad to hear about the rent cap. Does that apply to new developments as well? Could somebody tear down an old apartment and build new ones at double the cost?

I’m not trying to slam UBI or interrogate you, I’m genuinely curious. I just have a natural resistance to getting my hopes up after watching nearly every other proposed social program in my lifetime turn out to be varying shades of bullshit.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Oh no. We're going to have to fight. The idea that we won capitalism in the 80's and 90's seriously set us back. We're going to have to fight and keep fighting our entire lives.

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