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Many Jewish people are against Israel and boycott Israeli companies. Yes, we can shout about the destruction of the Israeli state because that is different than eradicating people. In some situations it is black and white, the Israeli state's goal is the death of Palestine, both the people and the nation. Numerous officials and policies have made this clear.
Yeah, you see the problem there? Hamas is also trying to kill all the Jews. And other Arab States also want to see them dead. They've made this very clear as well. Instead of favor one side we should try to moderate the conflict and help the voices of people who are in favor of a peaceful solution and not one where either side gets killed. We shouldn't let the most hateful parts of each side get so much power. Palestinians as well as Jews (and everyone else living there) should have a right to exist peacefully. You won't solve this by either giving the land to the Palestinians or the Israelis. Destroying the Israeli state would obviously lead to a genocide of Jews. You need to be very naive to think it wouldn't come to that once the Israeli military and polixe were to be dissolved. The Israeli government however should definitely be targeted. We need to find a way to take away the power the Likud and the Hamas currently hold.
You'd be surprised to learn there is more than Hamas in Palestine, and the majority of people there just want their families to be able to return and have their land back that was stolen by western imperial powers, and then further taken by Israel over time. Getting rid of the Israeli state wouldn't have to mean kicking out everyone or a genocide of the Jews there. I don't disagree there is a lot of antisemitism in the Arab world and everywhere, it's possible to protect the lives of Jews and Arabs in the region though.
I'm well aware that many if not most Palestinians are not on board with Hamas. Same goes for the Israeli people who also mostly disagree with their own government and the mass killings as far as I'm aware. But you can see how little of an argument this is right now in Gaza. The Israeli state is killing people without sense although their own citizen don't want this. I could see the same happen if the Israeli state would get dissolved. How would you stop Hamas and other militant antisemites from killing Jews then? You've seen what they did on October 7th, imagine what they'd do if no one would stop them. I would also wish for a peaceful solution where everyone could just get along. But there has been so much hate and trauma for generations on both sides that it will probably be a really slow process. And there needs to be some sort of instance that keeps both sides from killing each other. I don't see how dissolving the Israeli state could actually work here.
The conditions that led to them attacking on the 7th are very different than what they would be if Palestine had proper self-determination. But true, it will take a while to heal divisions.
People don't want endless violence, there have been many periods where Jewish and Arab people lived together peacefully. I agree though, a process like this would probably need third-party peacekeepers, an independent coalition could form to help protect people in the region and prevent terrorism, like the groups of states in the region that have come together to fight ISIS.
Yes, I agree :)