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I find it weird that Americans never let their cats outside. I mean, they're outside animals.
Would you stay indoors forever? No?
You don't let your cats out for the same reason zoos don't let their bears out into your fucking neighborhood ya goddamn dingus. They don't belong there and can do serious damage to the local fauna.
also outdoor cats live an average of 3-5 years.
Indoor cats live can for 15-20+.
So sure, if you are pro-premature cat death. Let your pet cat outside.
They don't cause serious ecological harm. Even the fucking bird preservation or whatever body says cats don't have a serious impact on local bird populations.
Oh and they do belong outside, actually. They come in and go out as they please.
Most cats are outdoor here, and live a damn sight longer than that. My own cat is 7 and counting. I have a relative who had an 18 year old cat.
Maybe lifespan is different here because we don't have 10-lane motorways every 10 meters in every direction.
And for the record, if possible it is better for bears to be, well, outdoors in their natural habitat rather than a zoo.
Hey guys we also killed most other predators, but it's okay because my cat can live longer and kill more birds
Hey, since you don't believe me about cats not causing massive ecological harm to local bird populations:
http://web.archive.org/web/20200206053916/www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/
It's also funny you attribute cat's longevity to the death of predators, and not the fact that there are native cats here and so cats very much, well, adapted to local predators.
Because we're more responsible at this one thing apparently. They're invasive. You want to let them outside take them to their native habitat.
There are literally wild cats you can find, especially here.
This pretty much is their natural habitat. 🙂
But yeah tell me again how we're all irresponsible for letting our cats breathe fresh air because they're "iNvAsIvE".
So you release your cat in the wild to kill the food source for native cats?
Talking about my own country specifically here:
They're not really in competition. They're mainly concentrated in the pretty much unpopulated highlands, whereas domestic cats owned by humans are mainly concentrated in the central belt.
Scottish Wildcats are endangered technically, but not in terms of competition from domestic cats killing them or taking their food. Rather, they're interbreeding (because they're so similar!). That's just evolution at the end of the day.
Even though they're still considered endangered because "pure" wildcats population is reducing, the wildcats are still living and creating offspring, some of which are still wild cats, even if they're not purebred "wildcat".
So irresponsible cat owners let their cats outside and didn't neuter or spay them. Cool beans.
It's just evolution lol
It's irresponsible to not neuter or spay a housecat, yes. I agree. Most do but some irresponsible owners don't.
It doesn't change the fact that the only real danger domestic cats pose to wildcats is interbreeding. Which isn't really a danger.
What they certainly aren't doing is what you claimed: taking their food source. It's just not a concern.
Yet the subject was about what cats do to bird populations and you hopped in with your cat fucking gotcha. Good job in derailing the topic.
Aw, are you sad now? You can't think of anything else so you complain about the topic being changed ever so slightly to letting cats outside (still very much related)?
Anyways, you are just as responsible as me for switching topic.
And that's how a conversation typically works. If you strictly never even slightly deviate the conversation will fall flat on it's face in two minutes.
Also, I addressed the bird thing elsewhere. You should see it, since it's a direct reply to you, the high-horse shining example of global animal population ethics American.