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One way to get China to clean up faster: build a ‘climate club’ (wapo.st)

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The world cannot count on them all to do it on their own. China, in particular, looks likely to fail to deliver on the fairly weak pledges it made in Paris. Fortunately, there is a stick available to encourage ambitions to decarbonize: a tariff based on the carbon embedded in the imports into the United States, the European Union and other rich countries.

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[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Those are all per capita, otherwise they are hard to compare. So China is a bit lower then the EU, but probably not much anymore as those numbers are from 2021 and EU emissions have fallen, while Chinas emissions have gone up. However those are trade adjusted and that makes comparing numbers a lot harder. If you go for production based emissions, so all the emissions coming from the country ignoring trade, then China has higher emissions then the EU since 2016. That is why the EU does stuff like CBAM.

In general the EU does better then a lot of countries in GDP/emissions. Latin America is the other region doing really well. Brazil is about at the same level as China in terms of development, but has a quarter of the per capita emissions for example.

Obviously cummulative emissions of the EU are still higher then those of China. So the EU is much more guilty then China in that regard.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ooh okay thank you, that makes way more sense. I should’ve realized when the numbers were so low.

I think China is on track to reducing their emissions way faster than a lot of places, just in the way they prioritize renewables compared to other places. In the cities I went, at least 80% of cars were electric, and non-car vehicles were almost all electric (scooters, rickshaws etc). I believe countrywide over 40% of cars are electric. Living in the US, that blew my mind.

I think the poverty elimination campaign likely contributed to a rise in emissions, because part of their definition of ending extreme poverty included access to electricity, food, clothing, and medical care, all of which require emissions and in rural areas likely achieved by non-renewable energy. And a lot of China is still rural.

It will be interesting to see how they proceed. If they’re able to help poorer countries develop renewable capacity through their use of economies of scale, such as how their recent production of solar has finally brought costs down to what many global south countries can afford, it might prevent those countries from requiring quite so many emissions to develop and help them skip the dirty phase of development and head directly into clean energy, which would be huge. No one will prevent countries from developing, period, so helping that development be sustainable would be massive in terms of saved emissions over them following the example of the rest of the world to do so.