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The UN doesn't officially recognize Palestine as a country, so they can fuck right off with their assessment. It's unlikely Palestine will ever be allowed to be a country.
Based on official treaties from 1949, the west bank should be Jordanian, and the Gaza strip should be Egyptian
Israel conquered both of those places again in 1967, and neither Egypt nor Jordan want them back at this point.
So politically speaking, they are conquered parts of Israel at the moment.
Again, all of this comes down to "when are we no longer allowing borders to change"?
Palestine is not a country, they aren't likely to become a country, they're free to try to become a country, but they're also likely to fail and the consequences of attacking Israel to try to become a country are clearly visible in Israel's retaliation.
Israel should not be expected to give up land to local populations just because they want it. If all of Israel has a vote to give it to them, sure, go ahead and form a new country but that's not how this situation is going to happen.
I feel the same way about Quebec independence. If they vote to leave by themselves, the answer is no. If the whole countries votes to allow them to leave, then no problem. If they were to attack Ontario in retaliation for failing to be allowed to leave, we shouldn't just give in, we should do the exact same thing Israel is doing.
I bet most Americans feel the same way about Native groups, what if one wanted to break off from the US and take a chunk of land to have 100% control. Not just most control, but 100% separate recognized country with 0% US jurisdiction. They wouldn't like it. If those tribes then attacked nearby US cities with rockets, the same population would immediately demand the military go in to deal with it. Despite those tribes having far more historical title to the land than Palestinians do (something like 95% of Palestinians were born outside of Palestinian territories or are only 1st generation Palestinians)