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I'm not against this. I think the fact that car deaths are skyrocketing in the US and the UK is even more absurd since modern cars are supposedly "safer" with all of their safety tech. Plus how are people still doing this fucking shit when death from dangerous driving has been a thing in the news forever now? It's like people need even more stricter rules to keep them in line instead of thinking like a reasonable adult.
I think deaths jumped a bit post COVID but I don't think they are skyrocketing. Do you have a source?
I looked it up. They aren't skyrocketing.
The numbers dropped due to lockdown, then bounced up and are stable.
I hate this cult of negativity - just make up how everything is getting worse in order to hand more power to the government.
The casual and bovine l way it all happen is disgusting.
He'll yea use machines to strip people of their freedom and privacy in exchange for "safety" and "security", that could never go wrong
I understand your pov but I feel it's misplaced. You are in public in a vehicle. You are in public on a side walk. The same laws that have been used to record police are the same being used here. You have no expectation of privacy in public and if you are seen or recorded breaking a law that is on you.
About that...
I don't think you understand my point. It's been made clear the First Amendment applies to filming anyone, including police, in public. Any policies that try to bypass that will be destroyed in court. Those same rules apply to all of us as well.
We can absolutely be recorded in public.
Yeah, given the tech today this needs to be revisited at the very least
It won't.
Just because someone is in public doesn't mean that they need to be under 24/7 surveillance by big brother. Isn't England already infested with security cameras? The US is pretty lousy with them in some places and if I knew they were actively watching me I'd make a habit of breaking them, not praise them for helping to overpolice every square inch of the country
Again, if you can be seen in public you already are. Anyone is a witness to your crimes.
I haven't committed any. Which is why I'm unconcerned.
Allow me to rephrase that. If an authority figure wants to prosecute you for whatever reason, even if you've been perfectly "legal", they will make up a crime you committed based on something they didn't like about you. This driving-camera crap just gives them more opportunities.
I got ticketed not too long ago because a police officer thought I was texting when I wasn't doing anything other than looking at Google Maps. You don't have to have committed a crime. You just have to have yourself recorded in a way that looks like you might have committed a crime. There is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE between those qualifiers, and it is ripe for abuse. Innocence doesn't prove innocence, and proving innocence is what matters.
Hey, sorry to hear you got hosed. I think the thing a lot of people who follow cases of police corruption are beginning to realize is always be filming yourself in your car. Have front and rear cams and to your point here, having an in cabin camera might not be bad. It sucks that this is where we are unfortunately. Have the evidence of your innocence.
Look, you can complain about this all you want. If you do not like it, you have the opportunity to take it up with your representatives ( hopefully ) and see if laws can be changed, but in the US, this is the reality. Anyone can film you in public. It's protected under the constitution while you are in public. If you break a law on camera then you can be punished for it. If you don't want that to happen, take steps to ensure you're not falsy accused. It's simple logic.
None of what I said has any opinion in it. It's the reality of the modern world. I don't like or dislike it. It's just how it's going to be unless we alter the First Amendment of the US constitution and that's highly unlikely in the US.
SUV vs. Bicycle: cyclist dead.
Not for UK, cyclists is the only category which stay the same between 2022/2021.
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/report-reveals-number-of-deaths-on-british-roads-increase-by-8-percent/
Then using UK, one of the countries with the lowest deathtoll on the roads in Europe, beside the US, is a bit of a stretch.
For reference, in Switzerland deaths/major injuries from traffic accidents have steadily dropped since the '70s. Thanks to, as you mention, better car safety tech.
But there has also been a great number of speed cameras and lower alcohol tolerance. Oh and new laws with income-relative fines, temporary to permanent loss of driving license, and even jail for the worst driving offenses probably cooling the jets of even the wealthier road maniacs.
People won't put their damn phones away when they are driving.
There is a name for that sort, the safer the item is the more reckless the person becomes.
100% agree. It flags infractions, you have people verify what was being flagged, due course follows.
Yup, and some of these are quite serious. But a cop at the side of the road could stop these people instantly. These people won’t find out that they have broke the law for two weeks. Or they could just kill themselves/someone else/both half a mile up the road.
No they wouldn't. You are telling me you could stop someone on the motorway instantly. You think a stationary cop at ground level would be able to spot a phone held below the window and have the reaction times to intiate a persute?
I never suggested any of this...alls I said was a cop at the side of the road could stop a car. I didnt say we couldnt have a copper parked up on a bridge as lookout or use these cameras.