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They've got beacon location data, yes, but Apple is the only one that gives up that information without first conforming that the query is coming from someone who sees that BSSID. As OP notes:
If you click through to the paper, it describes 2 approaches for using BSSIDs to identify location:
See the problem there? Approach 2 gives more raw information away, by outsourcing the positioning calculation to untrusted clients.
And the paper outlines how Apple goes even further than that:
It goes on later:
That's the discussion here. Apple keeps a large database, like many other big tech/mapping firms, but does nothing to keep that database hard for strangers to scrape in bulk.
In contrast, Google uses the first approach and keeps the information a bit more restricted by performing the location calculation at the server:
So it's possible to run this type of service with this type of database, without sharing BSSID locations with anyone else who asks.
Seems like apple was hoping to keep their API hits down at the expense of everyone’s privacy including their own customers. Very uncool.
It seems that Apple may be interested in at least requiring authentication that the query comes from an Apple device (or even an Apple-approved API key), which would go a long way in alleviating the security flaw.
I can see some value in the server returning BSSID location data directly (especially with risk of intermittent or slow data connections), but the combination of all the factors seems sloppy.
It could even be privacy preserving with the right implementation. With a bunch of device locations nearby you’re not hitting the server constantly and leaving a trail… but I think Apple just had limiting API hits and maybe computing.