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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

And bullshit from Central American nationalists who have dumbass conspiracy theories about CIA boogiemen aren't exactly a good source of information either. I know that Venezuela wants to blame everyone else for their problems, but their arguments don't even pass the barest of muster.

We all know what the USA was focused on in the last 30 years. The bulk of US effort was in Afghanistan, Iraq/Syria, with more recent focus on Ukraine, China, and now Israel.

Blaming the USA for random ass shit that happens in I dunno, Venezuela's shitty socialist takeover of their energy grid (leading into large-scale blackouts) and trying to tie US Policy to that is... well... a conspiracy theory. Sure, nationalists from beyond our southern border can believe whatever the fuck they want, but I'll call them out on the bullshit. Venezuela fucked their own country over, and we're doing those migrants a favor by letting them in.


I'm happy for us to do our duty to take in those who qualify for sanctuary, or otherwise need such assistance. But USA has other concerns that we still need to balance against that (such as our housing shortage, that'd be complicated with more migrants). I think we can make it work in any case but its not going to be easy (or politically easy at that to even decide on a path forward).

In any case, letting in a bunch of US haters would be against my policy anyway. There's too many people in line as it is, so if they don't want to accept the USA's side of the story, they can just stay out of our country.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What's going on in the world and what you choose to pay attention to are two very different things.

https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/14263/

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The reforms, which included nationalizing key components of the nation’s economy as part of an agenda of socialist uplift, made Chávez a hero to millions of people and the enemy of Venezuela’s oligarchs.

Lulz. You mean led to the large scale blackouts of an energy rich / oil rich nation. Amirite?

That's a laughably inaccurate document you've got there. Clearly socialist / Marxist propaganda. But lets say, hypothetically, that you took away the electrical networks from the people who knew how to run them... directly leading to widespread power outages within a year, leading to a loss of industry and migrant waves to escape the country.

And you want to blame the USA for this? While also rewarding those who made such dumbass moves in their country?

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

LOL. Do you actually think the US experience with privately run electrical grids are well run?

Your grasp of the dynamics that impacted Venezuela are driven entirely by simplistic propaganda. I'm not taking on the task of educating you while you fight with nonsense at every turn. I've led a horses ass to water. If the ass shits in it, that's just what asses do.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

LOL. Do you actually think the US experience with privately run electrical grids are well run?

With all due respect, that's 7+ million migrants who are leaving Venezuela who very much disagrees with your opinion on that subject.

Yes. Our electrical grid is better than Venezuela. And if you really want to choose this hill to die on, be my guest. But this is really weird for you to get a hard on to the marxist/socialist utopia that is Venezuela. Methinks you'll have a better job talking about other locations of the world and taking your L here before you get too wrapped up in the peculiarities of this debate.

Your grasp of the dynamics that impacted Venezuela are driven entirely by simplistic propaganda. I’m not taking on the task of educating you while you fight with nonsense at every turn. I’ve led a horses ass to water. If the ass shits in it, that’s just what asses do.

That's fine. My goal here is to demonstrate that Venezuela's system is so shit its causing a massive migration wave to come to the USA.

We need to be aware of the migrant population's situation and understand their story. Each migrant wave is different. In the next 4+ years, whenever the next migrant wave comes, it will be a new story from a new country. If you want to get caught up in the peculiarities of Marxist Leninist theories of these failed countries, be my guest. Or... not get caught up. Whatever you want, its fine.

We got migrants to worry about. So all that's off topic anyway. But I'm generally willing to bet against the country that all these migrants are leaving from.