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There's a small but vocal minority that absolutely hates the idea of "Arch made easy". They think you should work hard to be worthy of using Arch. Manjaro is their anti-Christ. They show up in every conversation about Manjaro. I call them the "Manjaro sucks btw" people. 😆
They usually mention some irrelevant shit that happened years ago. Sometimes they can't be bothered to type it out and only link to a page that one of them put up. Or literally just say "Manjaro sucks". Sadly, the irony of being lazy when smearing a distro they consider lazy is lost on them.
If it was some minor thing I wouldn't care much. I am not a Arch user and I probably will never be.
The problem with Manjaro is the leadership is questionable. It isn't just a few blunders. It is repeated mistakes that have caused real harm. They write themselves off as user friendly but they can't seem to figure out how to manage it properly. I am not against user friendly Arch. However, the nature of Arch means it is very very hard.
Linux Mint and Fedora are much better and don't have the same history of dumb mistakes.
You must've not been around when Mint and Fedora were new.
They've been around for about twice as long as Manjaro. They made plenty of blunders.
Lol.
This isn't a lol moment. They have repeatedly screwed over people.
Do tell, how did Manjaro hurt you?
It stole away my radishes
I would absolutely love it if manjaro was a reasonable choice. It was my first pick too. Their continual incompetence is what makes me wary of the company. I doubt you want a conversation as you're quick to paint me in this light but I do expand here on my major reasons:
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/12137275
Some of this stuff happened only a few years ago. The same people are still running this company. I have no reason to think they've changed.
If you just want "arch made easy" I would suggest endeavorOs (best wallpapers hands down) or arco linux.
I love the idea of manjaro and sincerely hope that either a, they get their shit together (which is preffered), or b, a new manjaro like distro comes into existance.
The two week delay along with the calamari installer, and default plasma desktop give me a half chub already thinking about it. I'd be full send for it if the devs were competent
Thank you :) EndeavourOS was my second pick !
I picked manjaro because their user base is bigger and Manjaro is older. I will probably switch to EndeavourOS for all the reasons mentionted here and there in the comments. There seems to be a common strange atmosphere arround manjaro.
Also, because that logo thing on boot made me this post, this means I already felt something is odd with Manjaro. Always follow your guts !
Ps: Didn't though it's that much of a heated subject. It's a bit sad, I really liked manjaro's default and looks amazing.
And here's some of mine: https://lemmy.world/comment/10439242
I grow weary of Manjaro detractors because the malice is always there. You can't make up your mind whether you hate the developers or what they do. You hate episodes like the "AUR DDoS" without knowing all the facts, or considering how shitty AUR infrastructure is that if a pigeon landed on the roof it would go down, so in the same breath you condemn Manjaro for "AUR incompatibility" and for promoting AUR and for "DDoS"-ing it. I mean pick a lane.
But mostly it's just the hate that always seeps through that bothers me, not the content (which is the same inane stuff on manjarno over and over). What kind of person defines themselves by hate for something they don't even use? There's a million distros out there, there's something for everybody. You're not Inigo Montoya, get over it, Jesus. There was a root exploit unfixed in Debian for a while, do you hate them too? Can you imagine the reactions if there were a root exploit in Manjaro? Is any of this irony getting through?
They don't accept there own mistakes even. They do things like ship a broken kernel and then blame the upstream development.
Why even use it? There are much better options.
Which kernel was that? Manjaro recommends using LTS kernels.
M1 Mac kernel from upstream. They didn't bother to tell anyone and just pulled from master.
Yeah you can do that, it's in the license. You don't have to "tell someone", you just have to publish the source.
Can is not the same as should
You are misrepresenting my points, and the anger you ascribe to me is odd, as the only person representing this behavior is you. You insult me, you misrepresent my points, you say I'm defined by my aparent hatred. This is strange behavior only suited to getting your "enemy" to shut up and in no way constructive nor condusive to a reasonable conversation.
Firstly, my issue is that they don't warn about the dangers of the aur properly. Not that they promote it at all. If you read my statement I am clear. The aur is very useful, though dangerous. Also, on manjaro, version mismatch is likely to happen as the aur is built for arch and arch is two weeks ahead. You however pretend my point to be some entirely different thing in order to get you epic own.
Next, on the aur 'ddosing', what do I not understand? The first time, ok, that's reasonable we all make mistakes. They did it again though in the same way. Nothing was done on their end to stop this from happening. Something we will see continually as they just don't stop making weird, unnecessary mistakes.
As for me being Inigo Montoya, I actually am for your information. Manjaro killed my daddy-dom while I was sucking him off and for that I cannot forgive the company.
This hatred you fantasize about does not come from me. Calm down and maybe try actually talking to people instead of trying to "own" them, or to simply "destroy the anti-manjarites"
Edit: I see in the other post you did the same. Ignore what people kindly talking about their issues with manjaro say responding with hateful comments pretending they were the real issue. This is a continual issue with you