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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Any circumvention argument misses the point.

90% of people won't. The remaining 10% will be flagged and can be scrutinized more manually (without any violence which will get into news). It's the way any surveillance works. Which is why non-backdoored e2e encryption for everyone in everything everywhere and death of centralized services are important to fight surveillance.

It's like flowers covering body parts on photos, we kinda guess what's there. If the whole photo is covered with flowers, that's another story.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wait till they make TOR illegal and force people to mask TOR traffic to look like HTTPS. Then produce a stream of rubbish alongside said HTTPS traffic so as to fool authorities. Lol at them thinking non-profit tech gurus are going to give them cake

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You are answering a comment explaining why this is bullshit. "Gurus" are sufficiently rare to have other kinds of surveillance.

For some reason in every bad event there are plenty of people thinking evil is stupid.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What I'm trying to say is said gurus will build something that the masses can use (to the extent of the masses that know what Threema and Briar are).

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My third sentence still applies. Do you realize that the situation presented is one with backdoors on every device and criminal responsibility for bypassing\removing those?

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, and this will affect everyone. Which is why I'm hopeful that organisations like the EFF, the TOR browser's foundation, Graphene OS and the general Android community comes up with something that will prevent this. I hope this will push for greater efforts in obfuscation of traffic from TOR, I2P, Freenet, Wireguard and the like along with better education amongst the general population.

You could call me naive though, I suppose. Perhaps I expect too much

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Police checks your phone and finds the banned piece of software.

Or your ISP detects traffic from something which is not reported by the backdoor on your phone.

There are so many ways.

There is no technological solution to a power problem. Power solutions to power problems include riots, revolutions, assassinations ...

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Oh, so TOR, Graphene OS and Signal will be banned then? We're going towards a dystopia where the police control which apps you can and can't install?

Yeah I see your point

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We’re going towards a dystopia...?

I mean...

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I know we are heading in that direction but I didn't expect this to happen so soon. I thought it would be beyond my lifetime

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well, they are talking about "local scanning" or something, so that's what I'd imagine.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I thought they wanted applications to scan and send data to them, but perhaps the Android OS itself isn't too far of a reach