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xkcd #2948: Electric vs Gas (xkcd.com)

submitted 4 months ago by schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de to c/xkcd@lemmy.world

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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that's the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

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[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Road trips are a tiny fraction of all vehicle use, it's fine to relegate them to specialty vehicles.

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee -2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Quick Google says a great majority of Americans take road trips. Even though it's a tiny fraction of their driving, it's still a deciding factor for many when choosing a car. Not all people have the luxury of affording a second car just for road trips.

Public transportation would be good, but there's less flexibility to it. For example, just yesterday, on a return from a roadtrip, I got stomach sick and had to request frequent stops. That wouldn't fly on a train.

I'd love it if we had affordable and flexible public transport for getting all across the country, though.

[–] nemith@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I take road trips in my EV. It’s fine. You get to pee and walk the dog. The extra time isn’t much and it’s actually way more relaxing

[–] Starbuck@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s weird how defensive people get over their cannonball road trips. It’s great to take a few minutes on a break while taking a long trip.

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

Hell, my ICE car warns me when I’ve been driving for too long. Taking a break mid-trip isn’t isolated to EVs

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

That sounds good.

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Unless you're taking road trips literally every other week you could just rent a gas vehicle when it's time for a road trip. Rather than make the decision of the car you're going to drive every single day based on something you only do maybe once a year.

It's why I don't own a pickup truck, I actually do haul cars, help people move and all that shit that people say is why they need a pickup truck but I just go to fucking U-Haul and rent either the Sprinter van or the pickup truck for 30 bucks plus mileage when I need one. And I do actually keep track of my financial records with a double Ledger Finance app I just went and looked and I'm still nowhere near the cost of a used pickup truck from all of that renting

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Good idea. I hadn't thought of that.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Take road trips how often? Once a year? Maybe twice?

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but road trips can be expensive. Suppose you want to go from Harrisburg PA to Rockford IL with 2 adults and 1 teenager from November 15 to 22.

By car that's about 1500 miles. An average car gets 21 mpg, so that's about 71 gallons. Gas is around $3.5 per gallon, so the trip costs about $250 in gas. You'll need a hotel. I picked a random one in Ohio. $110 for the way up, $185 for the way back. I guess that's a Thanksgiving price hike. $545 total.
By train, let's say Amtrak because that came up first. $438 up, and that includes boarding a train at midnight and sleeping on the train, and then riding a bus from Chicago to Rockford for 2 hours. $483 back down, and this time when you sleep on the train you have to wake up by 5 AM to get off. Also this is coach class, and those seats aren't great for sleeping. At least you don't need a hotel. $921 total.
By plane, it's $650 round trip, simple as, but you have to leave at 6 AM on the way up and 5 AM on the way back. It can cost $200 more to get a more convenient time, but let's assume you're going for economy alone. $650 total.

That's not accounting for food prices along the way. That could bring the car ride up to the same price as the plane if you don't pack food, but if you're spending extra on convenience there, you're probably willing to spend extra for convenience on the plane too.

So it's probably safe to say that, for this group, the car saves about $100 per year, but helping to protect the environment is worth that price. On the other hand, there's something to be said for the flexibility and ease of planning on a car. For a bigger family, cars would be a way better option, and for a family without kids or a lone traveler, planes are the way better option. Trains are right out.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago

I'd also add time to the comparison. Time isn't free, and if you spend 2 solid days driving, you might reconsider flying and renting a car at the destination even if it's more expensive. If you use an ev and have to take a few stops extra that might tip the scale.