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Hours after a battle in eastern Ukraine in August, a wounded and unarmed Russian soldier crawled through a nearly destroyed trench, seeking help from his captors, a unit of international volunteers led by an American.

Caspar Grosse, a German medic in that unit, said he saw the soldier plead for medical attention in a mix of broken English and Russian. It was dusk. A team member looked for bandages.

That is when, Mr. Grosse said, a fellow soldier hobbled over and fired his weapon into the Russian soldier’s torso. He slumped, still breathing. Another soldier fired — “just shot him in the head,” Mr. Grosse recalled in an interview.

Mr. Grosse said he was so upset by the episode that he confronted his commander. He said he spoke to The New York Times after what he regarded as unwarranted killings continued. It is highly unusual for a soldier to speak publicly about battlefield conduct, particularly involving men whom he still considers friends.

The shooting of the unarmed, wounded Russian soldier is one of several killings that have unsettled the Chosen Company, one of the best-known units of international troops fighting on behalf of Ukraine.

Mr. Grosse’s witness recollection is the only available evidence of the trench killing. But his accounts of other episodes are bolstered by his contemporaneous notes, video footage and text messages exchanged by members of the unit and reviewed by The Times.

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[–] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

This is one incident that we don't have all the information about. You really going to sell out an entire country over one incident that isn't immediately rectified during wartime where they have far more to worry about than prosecuting every crime immediately or else?

It sounds to me like the German Medic witness was working on someone else and caught the event out of the corner of their eye while busy. Otherwise, why weren't they working on the prisoner (and hence in the way). So, the witness didn't know the severity of the wounds, in an area that was low on med supplies (looking for bandages, with a medic in LOS?) and just assumed it was a hate motivated execution when it could just as well have been a mercy.

Edit: and this supposedly happened almost a year ago? How is this even news?

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth -1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Hence me saying we have to see how they handle this, I will give you I should have said how they handle this if true.

But yeah, if they knew about it and didn’t handle it, then depending on how far up it went, we shouldn’t support them.

I’m not cool with supporting people who kill pow’s

[–] muse@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

So one guy does it and we need to disavow and stop supporting the entire war?

I used to work for tiktok and spent all of 2022 watching the war crimes Russia has done. The bucket of gold teeth from the converted gas mask to gas chamber victims. The raping of men, women and children, and the COPIOUS amounts of Ukrainian service members who were killed surrendering.

The war criminal should be punished. a holier-than-thou attitude that we should abandon our ally during their invasion because of one individual war crime is naive, and the kind of talking point you see regurgitated from X and Telegram by Russia supporters.

Edit: just saw all your other shitty takes down voted to hell. Sorry I wasted my breath, tankie! Enjoy feeling smug and superior as you look the other way on genocide because you got your one headline to justify it.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, ok. I forgot that since Russia did band things that now we don’t care about anyone else doing them

[–] muse@fedia.io 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nope, not what I said. my exact words were that the war criminal should be punished. As other people have pointed out, It's ridiculous to abandon an entire country because of one war criminal.

The fact you're being purposely obtuse just proves you're not ignorant to this, you're just another bad faith actor.

Most people in Macedonia get paid in rubles for such comment. If you're not getting paid for this, you're a rather metaphorically cheap whore.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth -1 points 4 months ago

I never said abandon them over one instance.

I straight up said to see how Ukraine responds to the charges.

If they handle it correctly than keep on having their backs until Putin is sucking Stalin a dick in hell.

If instead they try to hide and obfuscate it, then maybe we should start looking at what else they are hiding.

If we don’t hold our allies accountable…

Well fuck I guess that actually falls apart since we aren’t holding Israel accountable either.

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