155
this post was submitted on 15 Jul 2024
155 points (94.8% liked)
News
23301 readers
4039 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
It's good to hear that there's some more scientific studies showing that gender and sex are distinct facets of our biology. Sadly, I'm skeptical it will do much to sway the bigots, but any good news is positive news!
I always get a little antsy around this kind of stuff because eventually, it's going to get to a point where it either gets treated as a diagnostic tool or insurance requirement for trans people accessing healthcare.
If we assume that it's useful as a diagnostic tool (very iffy if there), that's not a bad thing.
There are people who regret transitioning and currently there's no way to reliably tell which trans kids are actually trans and which have been manipulated or are just in a phase, thus denying early intervention for many. If it could be reasonably reliably tested for, that's great.
The insurance part is 100% an American issue. Civilized societies have socialized healthcare.
It’s not a bad thing if we decide bodily autonomy isn’t the highest standard and that it’s significantly more accurate than self decision.
The trans community is rightfully nervous about diagnostic criteria because they’ve been used really badly against us. Like 15 years ago it was common to not be allowed to transition if you had the wrong sexual orientation (we’re pretty evenly split between straight, bi, and gay, so between 1/3-2/3 were rejected) as well as real life experience which didn’t help anyone but was/is extremely uncomfortable. And going further back you get stuff like transition being denied because a psychologist doesn’t think you’ll be attractive enough.
I get the sentiment, but I could use the same arguments against HRT, which isn't exactly what you want.
Bodily autonomy is fine, as long as it's not harming anyone (including oneself). If this tool is accurate (again, big if), it could actually increase bodily autonomy, since you could distinguish between real cases and those who really have other problems. That takes the burden of proof away from trans people.
Think about how long it takes today from the first visit at a doctor's office until actual treatment or legal processes can start. Using diagnostics like this, this could be shrunken down to one MRI.
Who decides what is "real" though, if it's not the person in the body? So someone says they are a boy, but the MRI says nope, you are wrong, you are a girl through and through.
What if I am a cis woman and have a mind that works more like a guy's mind? But if I still am comfortable and happy in my woman's body, who cares how my mind works? Nobody, that's who. Why would trans people not get the same consideration?
I just don't think it makes sense to use tech to invalidate someone's experience, and it's just not anyone's business if someone wants a different body. My sister got big fake boobs, nobody said "well, you don't have a body that matches the boobs" they just gave her what she asked for and paid for. Why can't a man do that if he wants? Why does he have to prove he's a woman first?
None of that makes sense to me.