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[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The first two words in my last response were "Vote Biden" sooooooooo.....

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, yes, but it winds me up when people who claim to care about Gaza only criticise Biden and ignore Trump's vocal support for Israel's actions.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Biden is literally sending bombs to Israel and is the current president, leader of the free world, yada yada. Trump's support right now is just that, vocal. Although of course he was shitty when he was president. But that is why for me personally Biden is the one to criticise right now.

I understand why it's annoying though if it seems very one sided. But "claim to care" - I think with an ongoing genocide it's a very easy thing to care about. Why would you doubt that they care?

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
  1. There's a law that says he has to. 2. He's at least trying to convince Israel to agree to a ceasefire and peace deal. 3. Trump is going to be much worse. 4. Republicans openly advocate for total genocide for example Nikki Hayley writing "finish them" on a bomb. 5. Trump is going to be much worse. 6. I don't see any moral equivalence AT ALL between trying to convince Israel to stop and supporting the total obliteration of the Palestinian people. 7. I doubt that they care because they advocate letting the actual dictator win. Yeah, they talk a big game about Gaza, and their support is really strong, except they wouldn't be prepared to even put a mark in a box? Forgive me for my scepticism.
[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
  1. But there's the Leahy law, which is basically never applied to Israel but clearly makes it illegal to do so. Why does he ignore that?

  2. Great! But firstly, it isn't working and clearly he isn't using all available leverage (e.g. Leahy). And how is veto-ing UNSC resolutions for a cease fire (and Palestinian statehood, lol) helping this, exactly? Seems like the opposite.

3 to 6 is whataboutism. It's not relevant

7 - The issue here is that you're again assuming they won't vote for Biden when actually many of us will. If such a person will vote Biden, do you believe that they care?

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're pretending to care about genocide but you dismissed everything about it that would be worse if Trump is allowed to win as irrelevant?!! You don't care at all. Liar.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I care about the genocide which is actually happening right now and Biden is aiding and supporting. That's why I'm talking about that while you chose to pivot to talking about the election. Trump being worse does not excuse Biden. Or protect him from criticism. The fact that you didn't respond on any specifics and just doubled down on this "but Trump!" whataboutism is just sad.

I didn't dismiss those points, they are just not relevant to the discussion about Biden and Gaza.

When we're taking about the election It seems like I will totally agree with you.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, correction: you’re pretending to care about genocide but you dismissed everything about it that would be worse if Trump is allowed to win as whataboutism. You don’t care at all. Liar.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

YES CONGRATULATIONS YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT TRUMP.

Ok now can we talk about Biden's failure?