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[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (25 children)

Yeah, it's something worth further thought. Somewhat related is this comment by @JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee to @FauxPseudo@lemmy.world on a c/Heathcliff thread about communities that are kept alive by a single poster:

This is a distinct problem I’ve discovered as someone who aims to post daily in my Euro-comics community-- that while it does gradually increase the subscriber count, it also (speculating here) tends to create a userbase that’s content to sit back and let someone else do the work.

So, psychologically and motivationally, I’m thinking it might even discourage contributors, especially since I try to research well everything I post, and usually post multiple images. Not unlike how you always add the reference comic as well as frequent bonus content… plus the funny comments, of course.

In other words, the two audiences are getting quality stuff without needing to lift a finger. Where is their motivation supposed to come from, daggit?

That's a great point, not sure what the answer is.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago (23 children)

Hola, Rolando!
So-- I think this why any healthy community needs casual posters. I mean, it's all very well for the founders, mods & awesome posters like @anon6789@lemmy.world at c/SuperbOwl to post excellent content on a regular basis, but we also need people coming from the zen / beginner's side of things to post topics like 1) "Help me remember this media?," 2) "What is your opinion on X?," 3) "I need help with this issue," 4) "Hey look, here's my latest gear / shelfie / etc!"

Yes, and I'm largely stating the obvious, but how do we get there? One idea would be for the 'content creators' to turn around and post from the other direction (as above). I've actually had decent luck with that in the past, when the community was much smaller, but for whatever reason I stopped doing that. The point of course is to set an example for others to follow, but also to put our members in the position to help out the show-runners, so to speak. Let them have a turn to be the 'experts.'

Anyway, that's one idea.

[–] Emotional_Series7814@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 3 months ago (14 children)

I feel bad because most of the people posting on !knitting@lemmy.world seem to be really good at it and I am pretty obviously nowhere near their level of skill. I also do not see many posts made by people around my skill level. But hey, at least it's Fediverse engagement and I do try to help keep that up. Writing this comment also made me think that perhaps a lot of Fediverse hobby communities have skilled people and beginners are perhaps too scared to post because they don't see anyone else just starting, so being the beginner asking for help might actually be valuable.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

perhaps a lot of Fediverse hobby communities have skilled people and beginners are perhaps too scared to post because they don’t see anyone else just starting

This is a GREAT point IMO, and I think it's good to never to forget it. Even as smashingly common as it is.

Because ultimately, we're going to make the Fediverse work because we pay attention to details like this, whereas Reddit is just sort of organised mechanisms at this point, mais non?

@Blaze@reddthat.com, @Rolando@lemmy.world, @anon6789@lemmy.world

P.S. And yes-- I doubt we're ever going to come close to Reddit (or other pop-mediums) in terms of total userbase and/or pop-engagement, but to me, folks who make sites like this work are preserving a sort of 'last chance for humanity to stave off corporate ownership.' Our last chance to deliver a nice little FUCK YOU to late-stage capitalism, if you like.

Sorry for my language, mateys.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If people are manage hobby communities, I really suggest to have planned weekly threads where people can share their progress. Might be less scary to beginners.

You can use https://schedule.lemmings.world/auth/login

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Interesting. Is this a third-party service to make scheduled posts on your behalf? Is it from your own account? If so, how do they manage security?

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago

That's a plugin managed by @rikudou@lemmings.world

I usually have mods account that I use for this. I trust the tool with those creds, worst case scenario the account gets compromised and I set up another one.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ugh... another tragically late reply, hah.

So, how would such a thing appear to the users? Would it be like an auto-posting bot? Can you point me to a working example of such?

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

The daily threads in !forumlibre@jlai.lu are created with those.

The account isn't labelled as a bot, we discussed it with the rest of the people in that community and they were okay with it not being labelled.

We agreed that bots should be labeled when they repost a lot of content.

Scheduled post feel more like a missing feature from Lemmy itself

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Very true. We often feel we aren't very good at things. We'll always be behind some people, but we're also ahead of others as well, and we forget that. I always think I'm at a dead end in piano, and my teacher tells me to knock it off because I'm way ahead of where normal progress is for an adult student. So while I may feel I'm at a tough point, it's because I'm constantly challenging myself to improve, not just sticking at my current level.

Even with my Lemmy content, I knew maybe more than your average person about owls, but now after a year plus of reading about them every day, I feel much more established in my knowledge of them.

Hobbies are all about fun and gradual improvement. Progress pics can be an important part of that. As long as the community treats everyone nicely, beginner work should be complimented.

Even in something like knitting, I never got far at it and just made maybe a half dozen basic scarfs, but I got consistent comments about my ability to keep even tension, which kept me motivated.

In regards to overall growth of Lemmy, I look at us as the instances being the mom and pop shops vs the commercial conglomerates of Reddit and Facebook. I don't want or need to be that big to feel successful. I'm close to getting 3k subs, and that's more people than I ever imagined to have listening to me. We don't need to be all things to all people. We can coexist with other platforms. I imagine some might even prefer my rendition of Superbowl to the Reddit one. You get solid photos and facts, but you're not overwhelmed with too much stuff that you need to scroll and read forever.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Dude (hehe, sorry), you seem so young and smart (which you are of course), whilst I'm a tired, middle-aged man.

In regards to overall growth of Lemmy, I look at us as the instances being the mom and pop shops vs the commercial conglomerates of Reddit and Facebook. I don’t want or need to be that big to feel successful. I’m close to getting 3k subs, and that’s more people than I ever imagined to have listening to me. We don’t need to be all things to all people. We can coexist with other platforms.

Excellent points, thank you for that. <3

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nay, I'm in my 40s. I'll take the smart compliment though! 😜

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Oh yeah, it's always good to feel the neeiiiighhh!

I'm still your boss, though, see. SEE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk

Nah, I love your work. Please keep on, keepin-on! <3

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I always think I’m at a dead end in piano, and my teacher tells me to knock it off because I’m way ahead of where normal progress is for an adult student.

So, hope I'm not offending you or anything-- But... maestro, you ROCK at the owl pics and captions. So beautiful the captures, and ultra-witty, the expressions.

It really is like magic. ^^

Oh rabbits, this post is 17days old, now. :S

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I always appreciate the support! I like doing it because you all let me know you enjoy it. When I see my posts voted above some real funny stuff or serious news stories, it shows you're all finding something positive in seeing another cool owl.

Someone else just responded to a 9 month old comment I made about the 1986 Transformers movie, so they've got you beat on late replies. It doesn't bother me as long as I can remember what we're talking about! 😁

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

Oh rabbits, this post is 17days old, now. :S

No worries!

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