You're right, my comment was pretty condescending, I apologize. Your points are well-taken, thanks for giving me something to think about.
Well I'm glad you found a movie you like. But I gotta say, "the movie is bad because it was made bad on purpose" just seems like copium.
Since you're interested in history: Tolstoy's novel "War and Peace" also makes an anti-Great Man point about Napoleon, both in Tolstoy's depiction of the Battle of Borodino, as well as in historical thoughts that are usually collected at the end of that novel. I don't remember if Bondarchuk's movie adaption of War and Peace retains that theme, but you can see it on youtube. The best Napoleon movie is arguably Waterloo which is somewhat critical of Napoleon. Likewise, the Napoleon miniseries has him act like kind of a doofus at times (and has an interesting depiction of the Napoleon-Josephine relationship).
I guess I'm just kind of bitter about this film because most of us in the US don't have a lot of knowledge about European history since our teachers are underpaid, our academics are ridiculed, and because our historical movies and TV shows are generally ahistorical cartoonish BS like this one.
From reading the reviews and social media comments, it annoyed anyone with an interest in history.
If I were paid to promote this film, I'd say something like: you can tell from the previews and the theatrical release that there's good cinematography, set design, costumes, etc. Well in the extended version there's MORE of it. And then tacitly suggest that people play it in the background with the sound off while listening to classical music.
Scott spent over $100 million to piss off the French, which any Englishmen would love to do if given half a chance.
Got it. This movie is only really interesting if you're from England.
Yeah Jordan Peele is a genius.
Demi Moore is pretty cool. Thoughts go out to Bruce Willis.
On !fullmoviesonyoutube@lemm.ee:
Looks amazing. I was a bit worried about Zack Snyder being involved, but apparently:
Series Directed by
David Hartman ... (1 episode, 2024)
Jay Oliva ... (unknown episodes)
Series Writing Credits
Eric Carrasco ... (head writer) (1 episode, 2024)
Jay Oliva ... (unknown episodes)
Zack Snyder ... (unknown episodes)
As I recall, the French navy was seriously weakened by their revolution of the late 1700s because many of the officers were nobles, and then the British kicked them while they were down at Trafalgar in 1805, so they had to rebuild after that. I know a lot less about the north African pirates, but I think they were based in lands protected by the Ottoman Empire, which was declining but still somewhat powerful. There were various expeditions against the pirates though, and a lot of times they could be "paid off." Anyway, once the Europeans defeated Napoleon and adopted a "balance of power" approach at the Congress of Vienna, they started colonizing Africa, and France grabbed most of modern Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia, which I think is where most of the pirates were based. (Shamefully, the French also commited many atrocities while doing so.) The pirates in Libya I think were mostly reined in when the Ottoman Empire took direct control (instead of allowing them autonomy) around that time.
Sounds interesting. Apparently there were in fact Mediterranean pirates until at least 1830: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates
Sauron had more than the concept of a plan.
Intro by Rolando: I recently compared Jim Woodring to @pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org's work on !unix_surrealism@lemmy.sdf.org, and @JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee suggested I post something here about it, since pmjv's European. So here is a cross-post of one of pmjv's more accessible pieces. For more info about what's going on, see: https://analognowhere.com/log/2022-04-30/
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/21198712
One of these links should work for you:
Looks like @clark@midwest.social started this a week ago. Examples of and discussions on the classic "The Outbursts of Everett True" 2-panel comics from the early 1900s, in which a portly man objects violently to everyday wrongdoing.
They should make it a tourism thing. I unironically want to go Garf-phone picking at Le Mer du Chat in France.