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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yep, we'd need something like the Covid lockdown(s) but over several decades.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And that's precisely why it won't happen. The drop in emissions during covid was actually pretty much in line with what we would need to achieve our climate goals by 2030. Just had to fuck over all of our economies for it.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Last year Germany had a 10% reduction in emissions with a 0.3% decline in GDP. German GDP dropped by 3% due to the 2008 financial crisis. So oversimplified maths says a fairly noraml recession is enough to solve it. The investment into green technologies necessary to maintain a or enable a good material quality of life for everybody would boost the global economy a lot. Obviously there would be regions doing much worse, but others would do a lot better.

Most of what made the panedmic so bad, was the lack of social interactions. That is not a problem in terms of emissions. What is, is commuting to work.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago

Yet, I pay almost twice as much in the grocery store, compared to just a few years ago. Try to sell to people that shit would be even more expensive. It's not like the state of emissions during the pandemic was what we needed to achieve our goals, but the actual downturn itself. We would have to lower our emissions yearly on the same level to achieve our goals, not just stay at the same one we reached during that time.

[–] spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

This is exactly the calculation China made as they've positioned themselves to be the region doing a lot better. If everyone would realize this and fight for their slice of the pie, we'd be doing a lot better.