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Imane Khelif is just the latest victim of idiotic transvestigators.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 54 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (47 children)

I've been mentioning this specifically in the context of Imane Khelif.

Even if she has XY chromosomes, you can have XY chromosomes and look biologically female with your clothes off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis

If the test revealed she had a Y chromosome, whether she is XXY or XY (and that has not been made clear at all), she may not have even known. And any partners she had would have thought she was cis as well.

Brittney Griner is as "manly" as Imane Khelif, but only the craziest of the TERFs claim she's not a woman.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago (34 children)

The question that I don't think society has wrestled with, and I'm including both left and right wing people, is who should be allowed to do women's sports? What's the purpose of the competition?

Imagine a world without male and female events. Instead, every category is open to any athlete who wants to compete. In that world, very few Olympic events would feature any female athletes at all. You'd see some in equestrian events, some in shooting events. In most other sports, having a male body is enough of an advantage that you won't see many women at all.

So, the purpose of having a women's category seems mostly to be allowing women to have a chance at winning something by not having them compete with men. That means you have to draw the line somewhere. And, wherever you draw the line, some people are going to be left out.

Who gets to decide where the line is drawn? Different cultures have different ideas, and at something like the Olympics, every country is represented. Historically, it has been men deciding who's female enough to be allowed to compete. I think most people could agree that that's bad, and it should be women making that decision. But, should it be all women, or only athletes who are actually competing in a sport? If it's left up to the athletes, isn't there a chance they'll want to draw the line somewhere that favors themselves?

It's always going to be a sticky situation because the whole point of a women's category is to keep out another group who would otherwise have an advantage. But, there's no obvious line that can be drawn that everybody will agree with that separates the two groups.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (6 children)

The answer is that dividing sports by someone's sex is stupid. It seemed like an easy answer, and like all easy answers, is a shitty answer.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If we didn't divide sports by sex, we would have had several sports where women could have not competed on the highest level. As an answer, it has worked well, and keeps working well for 99% of the cases.

We shouldn't throw away working solutions because they fail 1%. Unless of course you have a solution that works for a higher percentage without compromising the previously solved 99%.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Just find another thing to differentiate on. Lung capacity. Muscle density. The things that actually matter.

Using sex just approximates those anyway.

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