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[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (20 children)

End to end encryption was created specifically so that the server could not access the data.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (18 children)

So how many people use E2EE with Telegram?

And their ToS forbids alternative clients doing that. Say, using Pidgin with PGP or OTR. Since Pidgin plugins for TG and these exist, it's not a limitation for me, but most people, again, don't use Pidgin to chat in TG.

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (17 children)

Alternate clients are blocked from using that functionality because they may include ability to capture data somewhere, for example taking a screenshot of a protected chat.

[–] Noxious@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Stop pretending that Telegram cares about the security of their users, because they clearly aren't, as can be seen in their shitty encryption protocol, and the fact that by default all messages are stored on their servers in plain text

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So if an app doesn't support e2ee all data is being saved in plain text suddenly. You prefer calling telegram shitty because you don't care to actually learn what it uses. So it should be fair for me to call any other client shitty for other nonsense.

[–] Noxious@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Uh you appear not to understand how encryption works? Either something is end-to-end encrypted, and the service provider doesn't have access to the encryption keys, and thus can't read the messages, or it is encrypted in transit, the keys are held by the provider and the messages are decrypted on the server. The latter is exactly what Telegram does, even though they falsely try to market it as something else.

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

the messages are decrypted on the server

What you said means they can be decrypted on the server. But there is no proof of that happening in the past. People got into problems not because someone uncovered their content in telegram, but because that content was effectively public from the beginning.

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