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If all you're voting on is how they respond to Gaza, Harris isn't great but Trump is exponentially worse. He's openly said that Israel should continue what they're doing. In fact, in every metric of comparison Trump is exponentially worse. It's not that we're scared of Trump, it's that he is so much worse in every regard.
Yeah no shit but im not gonna settle for genocide. Slower genocide is still genocide and if I can do anything to prevent the murder of hundreds of thousands of people I will do so. I genuinely believe that witholding my vote and protesting has a chance of altering Harris' position here.
We cant stop a genocide in the future if were too busy fighting one in our backyard. Our system is fucked, we are forced to play the game, so we have pick our battles.
What good does altering Harris's position do if she doesn't win?
If she wins without ceasing material support for actual genocide then we have failed as a people. Politicans are beholden to us not the other way around. It is our demands they should listen to not the demands of raytheon, boeing, palantir, and others that uphold their wealth and power.
Thats not even mentioning the fact that not supporting genocide basically guarantees her win. This is an incredible popular position that many many people passionately care about. She supports genocide because she wants to
But what good is punishing Harris by withdrawing your vote? What does this even do except inch everything closer to Trump - who will make the issue you're prioritizing, worse?
It tells her that she might fucking lose if she doesn't change her stance. Do you really think a politician will do anything for the people if they can win without doing it? How do you think politics works? Asking nicely? I'm exerting political pressure not "punishing her"
I think you are misunderstanding the nature of the conflict. The war is between Iran and Israel. Gaza is just one tiny battlefield in the larger war. Iran and its proxies don't want to solve the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Cui bono? Iran and its proxies, that's who. Kamala Harris knows this. She isn't stupid and she is well-advised by experts. You and your fellow protesters aren't helping at all, you are just making her job of defeating Trump harder. Wake up, my friend.
Hezbollah and Hamas are Iranian proxies that have wrecked Lebanon and Gaza respectively. Hamas's murderous attack on Israeli civilians on October 7 was all about creating chaos, provoking Israel, and undermining the Abraham Accords. It wasn't about solving the problems of the Palestinian people, it was done to further Iran's "Axis of Resistance" goals. In that sense, Hamas's October 7 operation was very similar in nature and purpose to Bin Laden's 9/11 plan, and Israel is responding much the same as the US did back in the early 2000s against the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
Iran and Hamas started the current clash with the purpose of provoking Israel into a drastic response in Gaza. Gazan civilians are caught in the middle, but if you think it's Israel's fault, you are falling exactly in line with what Iran and their proxies intended.
The Russians, for all their faults, have a well-developed sense of realpolitik, and they have a term for people like you and your fellow protesters: useful idiots. I prefer the term "naive but well-intentioned", but there is quite a lot of overlap in this case. That "naive but well-intentioned" outlook is fine, even laudable, most of the time, but it is quite unhelpful at this moment when the competition between Harris and Trump is so close.
You should really learn some history, like any history tbh
^ This is either a bot or a 14 year old. Impossible to tell nowadays
Ok so 14 year old it is then!
Hanlon's razor, my friend. Lemmy is either filled with "bots" for no better reason than to try to persuade the 5k active users which will not be persuaded or it's just another bunch of random people, a good percentage of which will always be idiots.
I think the latter is a lot more likely, don't you?
Your point would be very persuasive if we already hadn't had a bunch of high profile bots exposed...
Maybe you're right, dunno. To me they just seem like useful idiots of authoritarian regimes. People that legit believe the shit they're saying. I hope you're right, that'd make the whole thing a bit less sad, imo
Also, do you happen to have some examples? Because the best I've heard so far is people accusing users such as linkerbaan or whatever it was, based on the fact that they appeared to be posting during times that coincided with the east European working hours.