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I understand the revenge fantasy, but advocating for the public torture of someone is fucked up, even if they are a monstrous piece of shit like this guy.
What are you supposed to do with people like that? He punched his child to death between a methadone clinic and a McDonald's because she wet her seat. He bragged about "bouncing her off every wall in the house". He moved her body around for months, and based on the locations he chose, it almost seems like taunting than "how do I get rid of this body".
Can someone like that actually be rehabilitated, or can they serve as an example of what happens to monstrous pieces of shit like that? Like, normally I'm for rehab, but I'm not sure he can be rehabbed.
I doubt it. Which is why I'm a fan of letting them disappear forever in a prison, and never have the opportunity ever again to harm a child.
Also doubt it.
These sort of people will not recognize their own actions as being wrong, and they also wont "learn" from the punishment of others.
So the only thing public torture would do is provide a spectacle for those who enjoy it. It won't deter anything. There used to be public hangings, stocks, etc - which also was not stopping the crimes from happening.
Yeah, you're right. Tbh I'd rather if they were gone so they don't have a chance to escape and rejoin the real world, but there just isn't a great solution to the problem that doesn't end up with others suffering in some way. The people who do this kinda shit either A) do it knowing they'll eventually get caught and believe the risk is worth the reward, or B) they're so disconnected from reality that nothing can deter them from following whatever fucked up thoughts pop into their heads. A) knows exactly what they're doing and are doing it anyway, while B) is basically an animal with human intelligence at that point. You ain't stopping either one of them.
Unfortunately true. And the reason I personally land with prison is that enough innocent people end up there that I can't support the death penalty. I actually just referenced a convicted murderer just a bit ago, whose conviction was overturned in no small part due to bad police work.
The best prevention, IMO, has nothing to do with the justice system, and a lot note to do with better social services. Counseling before something terrible and irreversible happens, better support for single parents, or even social workers/police/etc doing their job in this case, would have improved things drastically - a little girl would still be alive.
I can't think of a better option than that.
Yeah, I mean, again, I'm usually for rehabilitation, prevention, counseling, etc. because I know there are a lot of innocent people; either innocent of action (they didn't do it, were coerced, or the law was unjust or unjustly applied), or innocent because (imo) they had good reason (like stealing food or assaulting/killing your abusive spouse).
I also know there are plenty of people who could be kind, caring people, they just never had the chance to not be a criminal due to their upbringing; and they absolutely deserve to have a chance at rehabilitation.
But then you end up with these fucks. Just... What the fuck.
Yup totally get it. This is a point far beyond rehabilitation to me, where the only sane solution is to never allow that person to interact with the public again.
I have zero ability to comprehend any of their "reasoning", and even if they change their behavior, I don't see how it could possibly be worth the risk to the public to ever let them be free.
Its just... So far beyond anything understandable to do something like this.