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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Republicans are not going to suddenly stop being evil, so what's the solution? Just endlessly comprise and never accomplish anything? Fuck that. I refuse to be held hostage. If Democrats want leftist votes then they have to deliver leftist policies. Otherwise they're just as responsible

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

That is what Liberals are perfectly fine with. An infinite state of groveling with people in power and never doing anything else. They are hostile to protesters too and ignore bad actions by Dems. Everything turns into but Trump is worse.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Every time they run on a left policy, they lose. Every time they enact left legislation, they lose. And you wonder why they don't run a big left platform? Frankly they do left things in spite of it always costing them.

What the left needs to do is actually show up.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hillary proves you wrong, though. Awkward!

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hilary who said she would have a map room to flight climate change. That existential issue that the left cares so much about, right? And bam she lost the election.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Exactly. If you're as interest candidate, or arguably a center-right candidate, saying a few things to try to pretend you're left wing is not going to get the support that you want. You need to actually change your policy in a major way well in advance.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Pretend? She declared fucking war on climate change. That's what a map room means, a fucking war on it. But you want to say pretend lol.

And this is the big existential issue, isn't it? It's the big issue that all the logical leftists care about, right? It's the issue of our generation, right?

And the left didn't show up. She ran on that big important left policy. And. The. Left. Didn't. Show. Up.

But we can go more! Why was it "only" climate change? For that let's look at Obama. So Obama enacted the ACA. That's great, right? The thanks Obama got for that was to lose the House of Representatives for year 3 and 4. And lose the House of reps again for years 5 and 6. And then lose both the House of reps and the Senate for years 7 and 8. He enacted left policy and: The left never shows up. So what did Hillary learn from the last 6 years of Obama? She learned that the left never shows up. And you're amazed she didn't ruin a big left platform on every issue? So she ran a mostly center platform to try to get voters, BUT with a big position to left on the map room to climate change. And bam she lost the election.

So what did Biden learn from Hillary? Don't run a left position on anything, because it's a sure fire eat to lose. So he ran center. But guess what happened in office? He governed left. He did a lot of left things. And what was his thanks for it? Dismal poll numbers. Aka the left was not going to show up.

Like I said, when the Dems enact left policy, they lose. When they run on left policy, they lose. Because. The. Left. Never. Shows. Up.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago

Totally fucking agree with this. Well said!