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[–] ratman150@sh.itjust.works 76 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yeah can you guys quit pretending having autism is some fantastic thing? It really sucks sometimes and I've never felt or met anyone like me who thinks this way at all. In general we wish we could communicate better and it seems like this is just going to cause more division as it basically puts "neurotypical" vs anything that isn't that. We should definitely understand what goes on with people on the spectrum but don't pretend it's a fun time.

[–] Rukmer@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know, I was so excited when I read the first part until I realized it was just another autism-supremacy post. It's like all these internet "autistic" people are just narcissists who want to repeatedly gaslight NTs into thinking they're the whole problem. The truth is, this rhetoric is standing in the way of actually accommodating autistic people so their voices can be heard.

I say all the time "I feel like I have a native language unique to me" or "I feel like I have no native language," or "I feel like ALL languages are a foreign language." I've been saying it so much for years now that I actually wonder if someone heard/saw me say that and adapted it into this nonsense. I'm not saying "I'm better than NTs," I'm simply trying to explain that there is, in a sense, a "language barrier." To be clear, I am fully verbal. But no one understands any points I'm trying to make. This isn't the fault of typical people, nor is it the fault of me. Just like there's no superior language in actual languages, no one is superior here. Am I special? Well sure, but pretty much everyone is special in some way. I struggle with this "language barrier" and it is frustrating that no one understands me, but that isn't their "fault."

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nowhere does OP say anything to even indicate that one is superior to the other (nor to blame for anything), they're just pointing out they're different, a conclusion you admit to coming to yourself.

I'm honestly struggling to see where you folks are getting all this subtext from, but also why your instinct is to stand up for NT's, who, lets be serious here for a second, are at worst being blamed of not willing to make any effort to understand us, which is not only indisputable truth but also worlds apart from how ableist society actually harms us, so it's not like they even need any defending (and if they did, we all know they are more than capable of defending themselves, especially against such "brutal" "attacks"). Never mind that pointing to division and oppression we face is not the same as creating it.

Seriously, some of the comments here, in our own space, are mind boggling to me, it's like why won't somebody think of the neurotypicals?!, when literally everyone does, all of the time. Prioritise yourself for once, ableist society won't. Some here really would benefit from reading up on internalised - ableism (those are each a separate link).

[–] kema@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I am 1000% with you. Autism includes qualities and quirks, some of which have been empirically proven to be very much inhibited versus NTs, some of which have been empirically proven to very much surpass NT abilities. Being balanced about this information (e.g. celebrating what advantages do exist) isn't supremacist in nature, it is being correct in nature actually. There is nothing divisive about that.

It's like that whole implicit phantom at the end of the phrase 'Black Lives Matter'. For one person it's Black Lives Matter (Too) but for some other person, for some reason they assume its Black Lives Matter (The Most/More Than Others). The antagonistic autocomplete there is jumping the gun with one's presumptions about what the messaging is centered on, usually because of their own negative expectations and baseline.

"I can do something NT people can't do and it's interesting to me that specific thing is called disordered for me in this instance" versus "LMAOOO NT PEOPLE CANT COMMUNICATE WITH US LIKE WE CAN, ARE THEY EVEN GOOD FOR ANYTHING??"

It's like people in this thread some how only extrapolated that second tone. A little bit of irony that this whole thing is about communication difficulties.

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