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[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The other thing I don't understand is all the anger and vitriol from you guys. Everyone who lives in the US and contributes tax dollars to the federal government supports genocide. The US has been supporting Israel unconditionally for decades. Do you really think Kamala Harris is sincere about stopping this, given how Biden's administration has handled the situation? Or any other Democrat or Republican since Carter?

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They do more then what Trump does. Regardless by letting Tump win you are saying you are okay with the genocides going on in Ukraine. At least more might survive under Harris. Under Trump they will die too. And you will be every bit as guilty as anyone who voted for trump because you could not get over your ego and do the littlest fucking thing for your beliefs.

Does anyone in the green party even have experience on the federal level?

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Again, not understanding where the anger is coming from. I'm not even supporting a specific candidate. I'm pointing out that 3d parties that take a stand against US imperialism will always have support, because neither major party can be trusted in this regard. And again, for some people, this is a line they won't cross. I'll stop now because clearly this is unproductive.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You're actively getting in the way of stopping a genocide. Of course people are angry at you.

[–] pooperNickel@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

Lol yeah Russian puppetry sure is anti genocide

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The US has been supporting Israel unconditionally for decades.

Yes because support for Israel is a complicated issue. All of the middle east is a complicated issue. We were spurned on by guilt for allowing the Holocaust to happen and then groups like AIPAC have spent millions(probably billions at this point) to make lack of support for Israel be considered antisemitism. And both democrats and republicans are supported by not only large numbers of Jewish Americans who believe that whole heartedly but a huge number of non-Jewish people who've been convinced of it as well. So no candidate who opposes Israel directly can get elected, literally ever. Because literally millions of Americans will vote against them just for uttering even the slightest waiver of support for Israel. Meanwhile Arabs in the middle east have made themselves well hated by most Americans through acts of terror against us for the last 60 years. So a large plurality of otherwise liberal Americans don't really care that Israel is wiping out Palestinians. Especially after Hamas gave Israel such a great excuse by attacking a bunch of innocent people at a rock concert and taking all those hostages.

So yes. The Democrats are using kid gloves to try to put a stop to what Israel is doing in Gaza. Because if they didn't, they would lose millions of votes of support. And since republicans don't give a shit about genocide, they are more than happy to pay lip service to AIPAC and Israeli interests. Meanwhile Trump and his allies are drawing up their plans to literally end our own democracy should he get elected.

But hey, you're voting you conscience and choosing to toss your vote in the garbage by voting for the one candidate that opposes Israel. Cause she's come out of hiding once again to stamp her name on a ballot and give you that peace of mind.