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[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's not a false choice. It's reality. You can either choose to oppose Trump or you can decide it's fine.

To be clear, I'm in a red state that has been directly impacted by Trump's judicial picks and his MAGA extremism. I take personal offense against me and my family when people don't do the bare minimum to keep Trump out of power.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 months ago

The classic Democrat argument: But that other guy!

No useful policy proposal for me to get excited about, no promise of material improvement in my life. Just "They're worse!"

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can take all the offense you want, but let me be clear: I’m not voting for Harris, and I sure as hell won’t be voting for Trump.

The real false choice here is being forced to pick between two faces of the same oppressive system.

And for the record, as I have said, I am not even voting for Jill Stein. I’ve shifted my support to a more socialist candidate, Rachele Fruit, because I refuse to be bullied into backing a duopoly that keeps the working class in chains.

If you think doing the bare minimum is enough to stop Trump, then you’ve already surrendered to the system that put him there.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you're not doing the bare minimum, your opinion literally does not matter.

Also, nobody said bare minimum is enough. It's the bare minimum, by definition.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you're content with doing just the bare minimum, then you're settling for a system that barely works for the people. Real change demands more than just the basics; it requires a fight, a push beyond what's convenient or easy.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nobody said to ONLY do the bare minimum. I said you're doing less than the bare minimum.

I'm thinking you're being intentionally dense.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If pushing for real change beyond the bare minimum makes me "dense," then I'll wear that label proudly.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But that’s not what you’re doing. You just come here to start specious arguments then claim victimhood when you get called out for it.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You just come here to start specious arguments

I shared a political news article to this political news community on Lemmy. And I have never claimed to be a victim.

I didn’t write the article, my friend. This community values diverse political views and open discussion.

I’m not the creator or a mod of this community. If you have an issue with the article being posted, feel free to reach out to the mods.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] finley@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

what a narcissistic and self-centered thing to believe

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Oh gosh, not at all. I'm honored that you let me help you. You're the hero in this scenario!

[–] finley@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you don't do sarcasm very well

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Surely you wouldn't want to belittle me by being sarcastic in every reply to me.

You are way too good for that. I know it, friend. I can count on you.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

lol, you thought i was being sarcastic

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Of course not! Why would I? I know you are arguing in good faith and totally respect and support my opinions, as I respect and support yours, even if they differ. Right?

[–] finley@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it's neat how you keep proving my point.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

See? I told you. I AM helping you! See how awesome that is?! We're totally friends now. I can feel it.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

what a narcissistic and self-centered thing to believe

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But you said, "it’s neat how you keep proving my point." So I'm helping you, yes? That's a good thing, right?!

[–] finley@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

if i observe that water makes things wet, the water didn't "help" me by simply being what it is.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But the water is not a person you are having a discussion with. I helped you make your point. And I said I am glad I could help. :)

So did I not help you make the point you were trying to make?

[–] finley@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

i see you're struggling to comprehend the metaphor, so i'll explain: no conscious act or decision of yours "helped" me. i simply observed you being yourself. you get no credit for that.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i simply observed you being yourself. you get no credit for that.

I don't get credit for being myself?! I mean, who would get credit for me being me, then? You said I proved your point. So I helped you. Which makes us friends. So we're cool now, right?

[–] finley@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you have an extraordinary need for the approval of others-- me in particular. one might go so far as to classify it as a neurosis.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

So you don't approve of me?