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Ohio will invalidate votes for 2024 presidential candidate Jill Stein because of VP swap
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I think people are less concerned about what you PERSONALLY do and are more concerned about what others do based on what you're advocating.
Mass voting for people who literally cannot win, at the expense of someone who can win, when the alternative is Trump is a very, very dangerous game.
If enough people abandon Harris, it will allow Trump to win. Someone who has already stated he wants to be a dictator on day 1. Who wants detention camps. Who wants war with Mexico.
I don't know about you, but I'm not healthy enough to survive another civil war.
Yep. I'm not concerned one bit what self-described Socialist Chaos Tro...w is going to do in the privacy of the voting booth. If all it was doing was voting Third Party, I'd only blame it in aggregate for the outcome if Trump won by thinner margins than the number of idiots (and I'll stand behind using this word to describe them) who voted for Left-Wing Third Parties.
What I'm arguing against is this poster and its ilk coming in and saying we shouldn't vote Dem, and pushing inane BS like the Dems are somehow as bad as or even worse than the GQP and that it's OK to throw our votes away as Third Party votes in light of what Team Pepe and the Trumpster Fire has planned for everyone in this country.
I'm too OLD to fight in a Civil War!
I've never said you shouldn't vote Democrats. I said that I wouldn't vote Democrat because I'm voting third party. But I have always said I support and respect your right to vote for whoever you want. The same rights that I have. Even if it makes you mad.
I personally think the Dems are as bad as the Repubs. That's totally my right to think. And I am totally free to express that opinion. Just as you are free to express yours.
Dude, calm down. People are allowed to have different opinions than you.
I believe in an educated public and giving people the freedom to choose. If you don’t trust society to make informed decisions when presented with multiple options, then I’m not sure what else to say. The fact that you seem to be so against respecting people's choice to vote for how they want is starting to make me lose respect for you. I mean, I know you don't care what I think, but I'm just putting that out there. You may think I'm an idiot, but I don't think you're one. But I'm def starting to take your opinions less seriously. Not that it matters. You are free to think what you like.
Enough with the scare tactics. And you know what? I don't think you actually believe that Trump is going to turn into some dictator rounding people up for death camps or starting wars with Mexico. I think that you just hate him so much, you'll say whatever it takes to make your point. You don’t want to see him win. That’s fair. But let’s not act like you really believe those wild exaggerations. You just think his presidency will be bad for the country, and that’s fine. But there’s no need to go overboard with these extreme claims. It devalues your argument. And if you DO believe those things, well then, bruh I don't know what to say. You do you.
But I'm not afraid of Trump. And let me bold for all the haters: I don't care if he wins or not. I'm not voting for him. Or Harris.
Fucking yikes at the end. Pure privilege.
It doesn't take a mystery death camp for folks from marginalized or at risk communities to see increased risks and degradation of their quality of life/safety. Reviewing his judicial appointments alone is enough to clarify that, in a no nonsense/no scare tactic way.
If he's president again, that topic alone will continue, and impact the lives of millions in a negative way, for decades to come
I'm very glad you finally went mask off on your privilege driving your decision-making.
I’ve always said I’m not afraid of Trump and that I don’t care about him. My stance on him hasn’t changed at all, so there’s no "mask off" moment happening here. I’m still not voting for him, and I still don't care if he wins. Plain and simple.
But I'm not voting for Harris. Neither is half of the country. So is half of the country "yikes and pure privilege"?!
The only thing I’ve changed my mind about since being on Lemmy is that I will never vote Democrat again. The hate and vitriol I’ve faced here simply for not supporting Harris has guaranteed that. You guys are far more hostile to different opinions than any Republican I’ve encountered. So congratulations, you did change my mind on that! Happy now?
Missed the point.
Nope. And I'm still voting third party. Thanks!
Not relevant but cool. That's pretty much all you say.
You already showed your hand
And what hand do you think I've shown? That I'm not voting for the duopoly? :)
That you are comfortable with conservative judicial appointments and the influence and consequences that represents. You said as much by saying you are ok with another trump term, and his judicial appointments are not some myth or fearmonger story, they actually happened and that's the track record.
I'm not voting republican. So not my fault. Half of the country isn't voting for your candidate. Accept it.
I'm not voting Republican or Democrat. So try again.
You said you're ok with another trump term and I highlighted a concrete consequence of that. This isn't about voting, it's about what you're ok with.
Edit based on your own words, you are at least neutral, if not accepting of the type of policy and appointments trump makes. That's the mask off. You said you aren't afraid, suggesting you are positioned to not be materially impacted by trump, which is the privilege component.
I've made no comment on anything beyond what you've posted, and have not suggested you don't deserve to vote for whoever you like. Im discussing the content of your comment.
But you see, they are sooo slippery, your words just bounce right off of them. Hell, even their own words do!
Covered in ectoplasmic goo
And I don't care. Here let me make it bold so you don't misunderstand: I don't care if Trump wins. I'm still not voting for Harris. :)
Which means, if you've taken the conversation this far, that you aren't for roe v Wade, and are pro conservative judicial activism from the bench.
Edit judicial conservatism is literally the tip of the spear of Christiofascist nationalism.... One of the worst enemies of immigrants, at risk groups, and the working class in general.
Pretty incongruous with being a socialist.
I don't know why you keep bringing up voting. I'm not discussing that
You don't get to define what a socialist is. And I don't have to explain anything to you. And I am bringing up voting because that's what we are talking about.
Dude, you are trying to imply that I am helping Trump win by not voting for Harris. Which not logical.
In fact, by that logic:
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.
Out of decorum, please note I made an edit which discuss the relationship between conservative judicial appointments and the core socialist base: the working class and the disenfranchised. I believe your comment came across while I was editing.
I'm not discussing voting strategy in this thread as you and I have discussed it before. I'm specifically discussing the content of your above comment, which you repeated, which indicates your comfortability with another trump term. I highlighted a consequence of that, which you have not addressed, and have continually tried to derail back to voting freedoms.
Edit Im not implying anything, I'm reviewing literal repeated language from you that suggests no care about at risk folks
I'm not comfortable with a term under Trump or Harris. I won't vote for either one, and I don't care which of them wins because, in my view, they’re essentially the same.
You can keep playing the "oh, you're okay with Trump doing this or that" game—it's pointless because I’m not voting for him, and I’m not voting for Harris either.
I don't want either to win, but I know one of them will, and that’s fine.\
As I’ve said many times: I. Don’t. Care. Because they both suck, and neither one of them will be my responsibility, since I’m voting third party. :)
You really aren't capable of actual discussion huh? Just loops and loops. You haven't addressed the core point at all.
Edit when given the chance to discuss or clarify your position on an actual topic you just retreat to the same old lines.
I answered you're question. I used your exact wording. I don't have to explain anything else to you.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-09-25/trump-warns-hell-expel-migrants-under-key-biden-immigration-programs
Kind of hard to expel a million migrants without rounding them up and holding them in prison. Or maybe he’ll skip the due process and just go straight to deporting them?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/01/politics/trump-immigration-what-matters/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/11/us/politics/trump-2025-immigration-agenda.html
Are you saying you don’t believe trump when he says these things?
Dude is full on copying hitler’s rhetoric and he’s been doing it since 2016 and you’re like… “you’re exaggerating!”….?!?
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/08/09/leading-civil-rights-lawyer-shows-20-ways-trump-copying-hitlers-early-rhetoric-and
https://missouriindependent.com/2023/12/18/trump-borrows-from-the-language-of-hitler-for-anti-immigration-speech-in-new-hampshire/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-says-he-didnt-know-his-immigration-rhetoric-echoes-hitler-thats-part-of-a-broader-pattern
Ok, well if you believe he's actually gonna be a hitler dictator type, then nothing I can say will convince you otherwise.
I'm not scared of him. I'm not voting for him. And I'm not voting for Harris.
I don’t think he’s “gonna be”. He is.
Hitler didn’t immediately start the extermination campaign after the beer hall putsch, ya know.
Your history teacher has failed you.
I'm not afraid of Trump. I don't care. :)