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I don't like the clickbait title at all -- Mastodon's clearly going to survive, at least for the forseeable future, and it wouldn't surprise me if it outlives Xitter.

Still, Mastodon is struggling; most of the people who checkd it out in the November 2022 surge (or the smaller June 2023 surge) didn't stick around, and numbers have been steadily declining for the last year. The author makes some good points, and some of the comments are excellent.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (14 children)

Let's see:

Network effect hits Mastodon specially hard as it competes not just with Twitter, but also Threads and Bluesky. In those situations, a smaller userbase means that people will outright ignore you as an option.

The way that federation was implemented; as linearchaos mentioned in another thread, if you settle in a smaller instance (the "right" thing to do), you won't get "good collections of off node traffic". So it creates a situation where, if you know how federation works you'll avoid big instances, and worsen your own experience; and if you don't, well, Mastodon's big selling point goes down the drain.

Federation itself introduces a complexity cost. That's unavoidable and the benefits of federation outweigh the cost by far; however, the cost is concrete while the bigger benefit is far more abstract.

Branding issues. Other users already mentioned it, but you don't sell a novel tech named after an extinct animal.

And this is just conjecture from my part, but I think that microblogging is becoming less popular than it used to be; people who like short content would rather go watch a TikTok video, and people who want well-thought content already would rather read a "proper" blog instead.

On a lighter side: the very fact that we're using the ActivityPub now helps Mastodon, even if we're in different platforms (like Lemmy, MBin, PieFed, SubLinks). Due to how federation works, you're bound to see someone in Mastodon sharing content with those forums and vice versa; it could be a bit less clunky but it's still more content for both sides.

On the text: I think that the author reached the right conclusion through the wrong reasoning. The activity peaks don't matter that much, when there's a huge influx of users you're bound to see some leaving five minutes later. The reason why Mastodon is struggling is this:

Source of the data.

See those slopes down? They show that the stable userbase is shrinking. Even users engaged enough with the platform are slowly leaving, but newbies who could fill their place aren't popping up.

[–] halm@leminal.space 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

you don’t sell a novel tech named after an extinct animal

They didn't, Mastodon is named after the metal band (which is named after the extinct animal) 🙂

Either way, back in 2008 I bet people were making fun of Twitter for being named after bird sounds, so.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

I wasn't aware of the connection with the band - thanks for the info! Still, people are bound to associate "mastodon" first and foremost with the critter.

Either way, back in 2008 I bet people were making fun of Twitter for being named after bird sounds, so.

I don't remember but you're likely correct. There's a difference though - Twitter didn't need to capitalise on every single tiny advantage, Mastodon does it, and while the role of branding might be small it still gives you (or your competitors) some edge.

[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They created a name clash with the band on purpose? Because they're fans? That's rich.

[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"He", not "they" — if I understand correctly this was way back when Eugene Rochko was the sole developer — but yes. Same as Lemmy being named after Lemmy Kilmister, and Debian major versions after Toy story characters.

I don't see what's "rich" about that, it's just developers having personal tastes outside of coding.

[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Exactly copying a name is a bit strange to me. I have always been under impression that whoever named the social network has been unaware of the band.

Lemmy and Debian are not the same.

[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 1 month ago

Lemmy and Debian are not the same.

Specifically Lemmy is exactly the same — a direct namedrop in tribute of a known musician or band. It's really no weirder than a band naming itself after archduke Franz Ferdinand, or after Nikolai Gogol 🤷

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