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[–] basmati@lemmus.org -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Voting for genocide will never be something you can convince humans is in their best interest as close to their preferred ideology.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Genocide is bad. Multiple genocides, and faster, is worse. One genocide is closer to my preferred ideology of zero genocides than that same genocide but worse, plus additional genocides. The only people who are unconvinced by that arithmetic are idealists who care more about maintaining their ideological purity than actually helping people.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not voting for any genocide, sorry. It sucks you have no red line, no limit to your loyalty, no bottom depth to your depravity you willingly vote for, but I have a simple one:

No genocide.

Until the US stops contributing soft power, arms, cash, and troops on the ground to a genocide, the people in exclusive control of that don't get my vote.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how voting works, mechanically, in a FPTP system. You don't vote for things. You vote against them.

Once RCV takes hold (thank your local and state representatives) I'll be right there beside you voting my conscience. Until then, that's not a productive strategy. It does not achieve the intended goal.

Lesser evil buys time. Vote for progressives on your state ballots. If there aren't any, vote for progressives on your local ballots. If there aren't any, run for local office as a progressive.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You've been voting the lesser evil for 80 years, does it feel like it's bought you time?

I'm not voting for genocide, in voting against it, hence why I'm not voting for Dems or Reps.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Sounds like you're voting hard in favor of worse genocide. Either that or basic logic isn't your strong suit and you're doing it unknowingly

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"worse genocide" do you people actually read what you type?

Say that out loud to yourself. That you are voting for less genocide instead of no genocide, and then tell me you're still the good guy.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can use logic to defend my view much unlike yourself. Accelerationists are the fucking worst 🤮

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Let me know when you start doing that, then. I'm sure the Palestinians appreciate that they're the only ones to be genocide by your direct choices, I'm sure they're happy you voted for "less genocide" instead of no genocide.

[–] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh, stop. The best personal choice to actually help Palestinians is to vote for Harris.

Outcomes are how you further ideals.

And the “say everything possible to equate Democrats with Genocide” tactic is so worn out.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Palestinians seem to think otherwise, at least the ones here. But I guess you wouldn't be a white savior if you didn't override their voice, like you do with pretty much anyone of color that doesn't vote dem.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I no longer waste my time arguing with walls

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You've been voting the lesser evil for 80 years, does it feel like it's bought you time?

Unequivocally yes. Imagine if the right wing clinched power in 1944 and never lost traction. You think civil rights would be better?

I'm not voting for genocide, in voting against it, hence why I'm not voting for Dems or Reps.

What's that accomplished in the last 80 years?

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The right wing did clinch power in 1944, hence the dramatic stop to progressive legislation.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Strange, that's right about when the entire civil rights movement started. What are you smoking?

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The 1940s is the mid 1830s?

Also the civil rights movement was not supported by government, and especially not the Dems.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

If we're being pedantic, we can go bank to the Magna Carta, or Hammurabi as the beginning of civil rights. But you're the one who set the 80 year mark, which coincides with the 20th century civil rights movement which was a distinct movement from the abolitionism of the 1830s.

But you're wrong either way. The 20th century civil rights movement was absolutely supported by Democrats, or was Lyndon Johnson not a Democrat when he signed the voting rights act?

And the 19th century civil rights movement was championed by the pre-switch liberal Republican party. So yes, the liberal party has been supportive, if not integral, to civil rights. You'd have to be pretty poorly educated in US history to be ignorant of that fact.

[–] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Voting for a fringe-left party rather than Democrats increases the chance, and represents direct personal action leading to, a worse outcome for Palestinians.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 0 points 1 month ago

Palestinians seems to think otherwise, I'll follow their lead. I was going to vote for the Palestinian candidate directly but I'll be honest, PSL is better for the world than green.