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Government Of Canada Labels Palestine Solidarity Organization As A Terrorist Entity (thenorthstar.media)
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[–] DarthJon@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, people burned to death. That happens in war. You might recall that Israeli civilians were deliberately burned to death on Oct 7, 2023, which is how this war started.

And the second link is not proof of anything, other than that people were found dead with their hands bound. There is absolutely no evidence to prove that the IDF executed those people.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You might recall that Israeli civilians were deliberately burned to death on Oct 7, 2023, which is how this war started.

That was proven to be false.

And the second link is not proof of anything, other than that people were found dead with their hands bound. There is absolutely no evidence to prove that the IDF executed those people.

Yes, and why is there a lack of proof? Is it a coincidence that Israel has deliberately targeted journalists, threatened them, and harassed them? If only they were still alive to help us understand why a huge number of bound Palestinians were executed all while they are being invaded by a country known to commit huge human rights violations.

[–] DarthJon@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did you even read that article? It nitpicks over specific stories but doesn't dispute claims about civilians burned alive.

You're clearly a lost cause. You have no critical thinking ability whatsoever, you just keep spitting back propaganda. Story after story, accusation after accusation, has been debunked as propaganda. The hospital bombing. The Flour Massacre. The famine. The children with sniper bullets in their skulls. All of it bullshit.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In another story that spread a few weeks ago, United Hatzalah President Eli Beer told of a baby that was placed in an oven and burned to death. Beer made the remarks at a donors conference in the United States. The British newspaper The Daily Mail changed it from “baby” to “babies."

But this story also is not true. Ten-month-old Mila Cohen was murdered in the massacre, along with the baby still in the womb of her mother who died after her mother was shot on the way to hospital. The police have no evidence showing that other babies were killed. A source at United Hatzalah said a volunteer mistakenly interpreted a case at the Shura base and passed the inaccuracy on to Beer.

So this one was untrue.

The report above was later quoted on social media, often referenced as “dozens of beheaded babies,” though sometimes it was “burnt babies” or “hanged babies.” For example, the Foreign Ministry published an account by Col. Golan Vach from the Home Front Command, who said that in one house he found the bodies of eight burnt babies.

This one the story changed from burned to hanged. Which one was it?

There is no evidence that children from several families were murdered together, rendering inaccurate Netanyahu’s remark to U.S. President Joe Biden that Hamas terrorists “took dozens of children, tied them up, burned them and executed them.”

This one was incorrect as well.

Some of the incorrect descriptions were made by Zaka personnel; one repeatedly talked about 20 bound and burned bodies of children at a kibbutz.

Oh and another one.

So let me ask this question. If there are multiple incorrect stories by an organization known to lie and create false truths to justify their atrocities. Why would I believe any of them? On top of that, why would that excuse what they've been doing for the past year?

[–] DarthJon@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you actually suggesting Israel fabricated 10/7 to justify going to war with Hamas? Or do you admit it happened but you're just nitpicking over specific stories? Are you aware of the fact that terrorists wore GoPro cameras to record their atrocities, and even recorded their torture on the phones of their victims?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The Israeli government was given intelligence that the Oct 7th attack was going to happen by their own agencies as well as foreign ones. They chose not to take it seriously. At best, they're incompetent. At worst, they're complicit.

And why are you bringing up what Hamas did or didn't do? We were talking about the atrocities Israel is committing.

[–] DarthJon@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They definitely slipped up, that's for sure. But so suggest that they were complicit - that they allowed 10/7 to happen on purpose - is just insane. Like you're actually mentally ill.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How about you hold off on the personal attacks, huh? I didn't say anything over all the stupid tone deaf shit you've said ranging from genocide denial to trying to justifying a year of some of the worst human rights violations most people have seen.

Slip up or not (and this was a very big slip up). It's clear Netanyahu and his cronies are using this conflict to further their own agenda of expanding their little colony and stop him from being convicted like he was supposed to be right before the attack. How convenient for him and all those settler groups.

[–] DarthJon@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It wasn't meant as a personal attack. Claiming that Netanyahu intentionally allowed 1200 Israelis to be butchered to so he can justify going to war is some seriously irrational conspiracy shit. That being said, I fully agree that he has handled the war the way he has partly to further his own political agenda. And there was a time when I had serious concerns about it and wondered if Israel was headed down the right path. But given the remarkable successes of the past two months, it looks like it was indeed the right path.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're going to look at the tens of thousands of corpses of slaughtered civilians in Palestine and Lebanon and call it a remarkable success? Does the sanctity of human life truly mean that little to you? You seemed to be pretty upset about reports of Israeli civilians being massacred. Is it because the Palestinians and Lebanese are not white that you care so little about them and their welfare? And you have the gall to call me mentally ill?

[–] DarthJon@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They have basically destroyed Hamas.

They are kicking the crap out of Hezbollah.

The Iranian regime is significantly weakened.

Some of the world's most barbaric terror leaders have been eliminated. Nasrallah is dead. Sinwar is dead.

Remarkable successes. Unfortunately some civilians have paid the price, but that's what happens in war.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hamas has highlighted the huge security flaws in the Israeli's defenses, shown how weak and vulnerable they are, made the IDF soldiers look like a joke, brought the plight of the Palestinians to the front of world headlines, and made the Israeli's feel vulnerable in their own homes.

Remarkable successes. Unfortunately some civilians have paid the price, but that’s what happens in war.

How does that sound?

[–] DarthJon@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

LOL, does Israel look weak and vulnerable to you?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes.

[–] DarthJon@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then you're not paying attention.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

You're a three week old account and all you've been doing is spewing hateful rhetoric to justify one of the most brutal conflicts in modern history. It's quite clear you've been raised in an environment to accept that what Israel is doing is just or even noble without a second thought because you never had someone actually challenge the concept. Take a moment and read why people are denouncing Israel's actions, figure out where they are coming from, and learn from it. I've been incredibly patient with you given how casually and cruelly you dismiss this suffering of others that are not part of your race. I'm leaving you some links I stole from another user that has a good breakdown of where people like myself are coming from. If you care, give it a look. If not, then don't. Just don't expect people to sympathize with you when you spout the kind of hateful and cruel rhetoric you've been doing.

Apartheid

Amnesty Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer

Genocide

Holocaust scholar to discuss his conclusion that Gaza campaign constitutes genocide

UN Expert Says Impunity for Israel Must End as 'Genocidal Violence' Spreads to West Bank

“A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza

800+ Legal Scholars Say Israel May Be Perpetrating 'Crime of Genocide' in Gaza

Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated

AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC

Human Shields

Hamas:

Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.

Israel:

Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:

Deliberate Attacks on Civilians

Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:

Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.

Starvation

Prior to the current hostilities, 1.2 million of Gaza’s 2.2 million people were estimated to be facing acute food insecurity, and over 80 percent were reliant on humanitarian aid. Israel maintains overarching control over Gaza, including over the movement of people and goods, territorial waters, airspace, the infrastructure upon which Gaza relies, as well as the registry of the population. This leaves Gaza’s population, which Israel has subjected to an unlawful closure for 16 years, almost entirely dependent on Israel for access to fuel, electricity, medicine, food, and other essential commodities.

After the imposition of a “total blockade” on Gaza on October 9, Israeli authorities resumed piping water to some parts of southern Gaza on October 15 and, as of October 21, allowed limited humanitarian aid to arrive through the Rafah crossing with Egypt. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on October 18 that Israel would not allow humanitarian assistance “in the form of food and medicines” into Gaza through its crossings “as long as our hostages are not returned.”

Israel: Starvation Used as Weapon of War in Gaza