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the proposal is from a red-hat team member and is proposing addition of "privacy-respecting" telemetry. here's the link to the hyperkitty thread

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[–] sarsaparilyptus@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Usage data is a crutch, effective developers can make good software with zero telemetry and did so for several decades.

[–] gnumdk@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Telemetry is important for desktop developers, you can negate it but it's a fact. Most users do not know what is GitLab

[–] sherlockandghibli@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

i genuinely do think most of the fedora users do know what gitlab is

[–] jaykstah@waveform.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I guess it's more accurate to say that people know what GitLab is but don't know/aren't willing to troubleshoot and submit quality feedback.

[–] gnumdk@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

At work, many Linux user, they may know gitlab but not GNOME one.

[–] sarsaparilyptus@lemmy.fmhy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that really a fact? (No.) Wow, it's crazy how every desktop program that doesn't use telemetry isn't any good, according to you.

[–] cowmouse@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They didn't say any software that doesn't have telemetry isn't any good.

[–] sarsaparilyptus@lemmy.fmhy.ml -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His exact words:

Telemetry is important for desktop developers, you can negate it but it's a fact

I'm going to assume you know what the subject and object of that sentence are. Here's the thing about how language works on my planet: through the magic of a radical new concept called "context", we can accurately discern both meaning and normative statements from what people say and how they phrase it. In other words, "It's a fact that telemetry is important for desktop developers" is an ostensibly descriptive statement that also creates a normative statement in the same way that standing in the sun casts a shadow: it has to, it isn't optional. It's "Desktop developers who don't use telemetry are ignoring something that it's factual to say is important they not ignore". Please tell me you get it now, and that you don't need the rest spoonfed to you.

[–] gnumdk@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I guess you are a desktop developer, what is your project?

[–] sarsaparilyptus@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

That's a fallacious argument, opinion discarded