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And Snaps work outside of Ubuntu...
My point is, Ubuntu goes out of their way to make installing stuff as anything other than a Snap a hindrance.
Their new storefront, which was originally a community creation that allowed for the installation of debs and snaps, initially had deb support ripped out of it when Ubuntu started using it. Only after backlash did they reluctantly add it back. You certainly can't install Flatpaks through it (unless someone has a fork).
Why would I use a system that so aggressively pushes a packaging format I don't want to use and suppresses ones that I do?
I guess it matters if you use GUI tools to install things. I almost never do so I hadn't even noticed.
Even using apt to install things has lead to some things actually being installed as Snaps, unfortunately.
Sure - but I guess I just don't care? I don't understand the snap hate. They work fine. Better than flatpaks even. I install some things from flatpak (desktop GUI only stuff) and some things from apt/snaps.
The Snap "hate" makes perfect sense. It performs worse, each app is mounted as it's own fs which clutters my file manager, they cause all kinds of issues (e.g with Steam), the sandboxing only works on one distro, there's a proprietary element to them, they're controlled by one organisation that's somewhat questionable, and they undermine the actual packaging standard that seemingly everybody else has adopted.
It's perfectly reasonable not to want them, and it's very reasonable not to want them forcibly installed without consent when you're trying to install something else.
If you like them, fair enough. But I've explained why I don't, and you liking them does not invalidate all the people that don't like them.
I love how people say "forcibly installed" like it's rape or something... You haven't been violated, you've been, at worst, mildly inconvenienced.
I can understand people not preferring them. But the whole "forced on me" victim stuff is over the top.
I didn't say it was tantamount to rape. Don't try to make out that I'm saying anything like that. You know I'm not. Stop the absurdity.
Ubuntu would forcibly install the snap version of programs even when you specifically use the terminal to install the deb.
If you want your PC to do that then again, whatever, I genuinely don't care. If your workflow and distro works for you then I'm happy for you. You have your PC however you want it. If your workflow works best with Canonical second-guessing you, then continue with it. Use what works for you.
I just like my PC doing what I tell it to do, not what I specifically told it not to do.
It is insanity that you're trying to make my criticism of that sound like I'm saying what Canonical is doing is the equivalent or rape. Have a word with yourself.
sigh I love a good old internet "I didn't say that - yes you did - no I said - you really meant though" bullshit argument...
I said "like it's rape or something" - I didn't say you're saying it's "tantamount to rape". Settle down. I'm just talking about the language people use like they're being personally violated by snaps.
Now show me on the doll where snap touched you...
ESL or just pretending like you don't know those are the same thing?
Theyre literally just using the words to describe what is happening, why are you being weird about it?
Getting hardcore incel vibes from your attitude, might wanna work on that
I love the arrogance of telling somebody what they mean even though that person clearly indicates it's not what they mean. Like you know better what's in my mind.
You've descended into "I just need to be right" now. No point discussing anything.
You used words that mean something. If your half baked mind has invented new meanings for the word that's on you, not me
I never wasn't
You'd have to be coherent for that first
You literally said "like it's rape"
Like: similar to; the same as
Tantamount: being almost the same as something, usually something bad.
So yes, you were definitely putting words in my mouth that snaps installing when the user goes to install a .deb is tantamount to raping someone.
Clearly an attempt at discrediting my completely reasonable complaint with one of the most absurd false equivalences I've ever heard in my life.
Even still, I’m back on Ubuntu LTS for my daily driver for stability sake but I do so miss yay.