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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nobody else is allowed to sell these phones without licenses

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's called "monopolistic competition". They can't sell the same phone they were already making.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. I'm not saying it's not monopolistic behavior. I'm saying it's not a government sanctioned monopoly.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Perhaps I should sell some without a license.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay? The company will be the one to enforce their license.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I didn't agree to their license.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

But that's not criminal. That's civil. That's no different than a contract dispute. It's not government enforced, but it may be government mediated.

You could disobey a civil summons....but that's a different issue.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Civil law created and enforced by the goverment is goverment sanctioned. And FYI it is also criminal, you can go to goverment-sanctioned private prison for it.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes. I don't know what you are arguing. I don't think you do either.

Contract violation is a civil issue, not criminal. I think you agree with that.

You cannot get imprisoned for violating a contract. I think this is what you're missing.

However if you are sued for a contract violation, you will receive a civil summons.

A civil summons is a court order. That is word of law, and wilful disregard or disobedience of a court order is literally contempt of court.

You can get arrested for that. But that's not getting arrested for a contract violation, that's getting arrested for contempt.

Do you expect contempt to not have teeth? It's literally the underpinning of all modern courts, that participants in it have respect for the truth and respect for the court. Of course the court and the government has to protect and enforce that respect.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In case I was being unclear, it's copyright infringement that is also criminal.

And like I said, I didn't agree to the contract.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just stop. This is the same bad faith rabbit hole libertarians use to say the government is all violence, from safety codes to taxes.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck off, it is violence whether or not we believe it's justified.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Damn and I nearly made it the whole year without this stupid shit in my life. Oh well, there's always 2025!

May you never learn what state sponsored violence actually looks like.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

State-sponsored violence isn't just concentration camps and gulags. It includes toiling your whole life to create IP for capitalists, while they profit by simply owning it.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure thing buddy. Just put the shovel down. You're only digging yourself in deeper.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

Oh no not my karma.

Anyhow, I hope you understand someday, no hard feelings.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol, are you some sovereign citizen‽

The world doesn't work like that. You can't just say "No that thing isn't your! I didn't agree with it being yours."

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Indeed, that's what makes it a goverment sanctioned monopoly.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, it's government sanctioned non anarchy.

Go to Antarctica or something if you don't like society.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We've had states for a lot longer than we've had copyright and patents.

As tempting as it is to move to ~~Somalia~~ ~~Venezuela~~ Antarctica, I'd rather improve my home.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you prefer medieval times then sure.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.