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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, for instance: funding a genocide, xenophobic immigration policy, building the wall, dropping the ball on covid right before delta/omicron, a lack of healthcare reform, the inability to protect abortion rights, being a cop, denigrating anti-genocide protestors, racially profiling Muslims at your events

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

How about: Popularizing the idea of the wall in the first place, going mask-off calling illegal immigrants "murderers and rapists", the "Muslim Ban" on air travel, moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, employing white nationalists as staffers, packing the supreme court with extreme conservative justices, giving permanent tax cuts to the rich, expanding the presence of immigrant concentration camps, cozying up to foreign dictators, stating he wanted generals like Adolf Hitler's behind closed doors when his own generals refused to nuke North Korea and blame it on someone else, egging on a far-right insurrection attempt, directly pursuing strikes and assassination attempts against middle-Eastern military generals and diplomats, ending the Iran nuclear deal, calling climate change a Chinese hoax, calling Covid the "China virus", spreading vaccine disinformation until one was developed before the end of his term, trying to start a trade war with China, discrediting his chief medical advisor on factual statements about Covid, saying Black Lives Matters were "burning down cities", wanting to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization, declaring "far left radical lunatics" part of his "enemy from within", being an avowed friend of Epstein, sexually assaulting over a dozen women and underage girls, being a generally abusive sleazebag, also funding a genocide (Israel has always been ethnically displacing Palestinians), also building the wall, also not implementing healthcare reform (and being against what we have), also not protecting abortion rights (+ setting up the conditions that led to their erosion; see supreme court point above), and also denigrating anti-genocide protestors (but not as harshly since he wasn't the one in charge when it happened).

I guess he's not a cop though, so there's that.

(minor edits made for grammar/spelling)

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago

The promise is that Harris is essentially a continuation of Biden so with that in mind comparing to your list above:

Similarities ✓ the "Muslim Ban" on air travel, employing white nationalists as staffers, packing the supreme court with extreme conservative justices, giving permanent tax cuts to the rich, expanding the presence of immigrant concentration camps, cozying up to foreign dictators, directly pursuing strikes and assassination attempts against middle-Eastern military generals and diplomats, trying to start a trade war with China, discrediting his chief medical advisor on factual statements about Covid, saying Black Lives Matter protestors were "burning down cities", wanting to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization, declaring "far left radical lunatics" part of his "enemy from within", sexually assaulting over a dozen women and underage girls, being a generally abusive sleazebag, also funding a genocide (Israel has always been ethnically displacing Palestinians), also building the wall, also not implementing healthcare reform (and being against what we have), also not protecting abortion rights, and also denigrating anti-genocide protestors (but not as harshly since he wasn't the one in charge when it happened)

Differences: X Popularizing the idea of the wall in the first place, calling illegal immigrants "murderers and rapists", moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, being an avowed friend of Epstein, stating he wanted generals like Adolf Hitler's behind closed doors when his own generals refused to nuke North Korea and blame it on someone else, egging on a far-right insurrection attempt, calling climate change a Chinese hoax, calling Covid the "China virus"

They are faaaarrrr more similar than they are different as honestly some of the "differences" I've noted are just because the exact quotes aren't the same, even if some similiarly spirit quotes have been said.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

inability to protect abortion rights

"I was robbed"

"I blame you more than the thief because you should have protected your stuff better!"

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not the democratic politicians who were robbed. It's the democratic politicians who were complicit in us getting robbed of our rights.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's the Republican politicians that actually robbed you of those rights, and you are actively helping them get more power to do it again. Make it make sense.

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So if one person is holding you at gunpoint while another rummages through your pockets, you should definitely only be mad at the one going through your pockets right?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If one person is standing by not doing anything while another person steals my stuff, I'm definitely going to be more mad at the person who actually stole my stuff.

If I am forced to leave one of them alone with my stuff I will make sure it's not the stole from me.

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Holding a gun to your head is "not doing anything"?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Are Democrats holding a gun to your head? Or are they saying "if you leave him alone with your stuff he's going to steal it, you better leave me alone with your stuff as I won't steal it."

"Could you lock up my stuff so he doesn't steal it?"

"No, I'm just not going to touch your stuff."

I'm still angrier at the person who is actively trying to steal my stuff.

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Are Democrats holding a gun to your head?

Yes. They are called police, the gun isn't figurative.

But if you want to change metaphors:

"if you leave him alone with your stuff he's going to steal it, you better leave me alone with your stuff as I won't steal it."

They then invite the other guy over and help them steal it, but blame it on the other guy and say "we tried to stop it". Who would you be more angry with?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How exactly did they "invite the other guy over and help him steal it"?

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Supreme Court justices are nominated by the president and then the house and Senate approve or deny the nomination. The current justices were nominated by Democrat majorities.

Kamala Harris is actively campaigning with Dick Cheney.

Electoral districts are drawn via bipartisan committee.

This is ultimately the problem with metaphors... What specifically are you looking for to confirm or deny?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Supreme Court justices are nominated by the president and then the house and Senate approve or deny the nomination. The current justices were nominated by Democrat majorities.

It's the Senate that approves nominations to the supreme Court.

Of the Supreme Court Justices that voted to overturn Roe v Wade:

Amy Coney Barrett was approved by a Republican controlled Senate.

Samuel A. Alito was approved in 2006 by a Republican controlled Senate.

Brett Kavanaugh was approved in 2018 by a Republican controlled Senate.

Neil M. Gorsuch was approved in 2017 by a Republican controlled Senate.

Clarence Thomas was approved in 1991 by a Democratic controlled Senate.

4 out of 5 of the Supreme Court justices that voted to overturn Roe v Wade were approved by Republican majorities. Two of which happened after the Republicans used their majority to block Obama from being able to nominate anyone to the Supreme Court. The one approved by Democrats happened 33 years ago when American Politics were significantly less partisan.

This is why I pushed you to stop speaking in metaphor and say something factual, because once you did you proved you were not speaking about actual reality.

Republicans abuse power to push through their agenda, and your response to that is to allow Republicans to continue to have enough power to continue to abuse the system while you blame Democrats for not stopping them. Your arguments make no sense in reality so you have to hide them behind metaphor.

"Why didn't Democrats stop them"? Because they did not have the seats to do so. Refusing to give them seats won't allow them to stop Republicans from overturning the next civil right while they continue to turn back the clock on progress.