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More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

The solution requires commitment to building power, i.e. leverage and numbers, gaining a political education, and engaging in action.

What I am suggesting is just the absolute bare minimum, and you all know it: genocide should be a red line and you are complicit if you vote for someone doing a genocide.

Your vote isn't strategic, either. You are just demonstrating that you will put up with anything and will be ignorable for the indefinite future for them to do these and greater crimes. And by justifying it to yourself, you will fail to take the necessary steps to, in your words, "solve the problem".

[–] shiftymccool@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Great intro to philosophy lesson. In the real world, we have the choice between Harris and Trump. You can forget anyone else exists because our election system is broken. If I don't vote, one of them will still win. Now, without philosophizing, what do we do to stop the violence?

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Great intro to philosophy lesson.

I did not describe anything particularly philosophical.

In the real world, we have the choice between Harris and Trump

Oh, so you just mean you are trying to be condescending and pretend I am not being reakistic. Unfortunately for this excuse for why you will vote for someone doing a genocide, I am pragmatic. I criticize your ideas of "strategy", which are just bog standard lesser evil vote shaming trotted out to discipline Democrats' empathetic voters every 4 years and suggest you take the first steps towards empowerment by doing the same. My hope would be that them asking you to support genocide would be enough to take that srep., that you could accept that there is not a greater evil than genocide, and that as a good person, you would be an opponent of genocide rather than complicit.

If you want to talk more specifically on being pragmatic when it cones to political power,I would be happy to do so. It is mostly about building leverage, which is basically the exact opposite of your rhetoric.

You can forget anyone else exists because our election system is broken.

The system is working as intended.

But in your terminology, would you say it is more broken or less broken than when the Whigs dissolved and an abolitionist party took its place over the issue of slavery? In this scenario, you would be someone saying that you must always vote for the pro-slavers.

If I don't vote, one of them will still win.

Yes, that is true. But are you going to orient yourself in opposition to genociders or are you going to decide on which one to support? I think it should be a red line.

Never again means never again for anyone. What do you think that phrase means?

Now, without philosophizing, what do we do to stop the violence?

"The violence" is far too vague for me to give you any real answer. If you mean US support for genocide, then you will need to join groups opposed to the genocide, participate in political education, and build those organizations so that they can make demands and enact material change, such as blockading weapons manufacturers. Or, if you can only understand politics through elections, you can spend your time organizing a principled anti-genocide voting bloc, ideally tied to some material interest. You have no leverage as a voter unless you can credibly threaten to withhold your vote. And your leverage is dramatically decreased when you act as an individual rather than an organized bloc.

Is that practical enough for you?

[–] shiftymccool@programming.dev 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That was a lot of words that, in no way, answered my question.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago

It did answer your question but you clearly don't actually care about the topic. It is just a rhetorical device for you to avoid thinking about your complicity in genocide.

Let me know when you have the courage of your convictions. If it were me, I would be damn sure I knew what I was talking about if there was any risk of me normalizing genocide.

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