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Europe’s Greens ask Jill Stein to pull out of US election to prevent Trump victory
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Stein pulling out wouldn’t result in more votes for Harris. It would just make more people stay home. I think they’re more worried about greens hitting the 5% national threshold.
Stop assuming these votes are stolen from Harris. She hasn’t earned them.
The binary choice and the risks of failure have been mentioned so many times, that I worry for people who don't get it.
Both candidates support genocide. A binary choice would be an improvement from what we have now.
At best, one candidate doesn't do enough to oppose genocide, while the other candidate offers their full throated support, advising that Isreal "just finish the job". We're not looking for a perfect candidate, we're looking for the best candidate. And there is absolutely a candidate with a better track record of compassion, and a likelier chance of fighting the fire rather than fueling it in exchange for political favors.
Either way, you’re supporting a criminal. I don’t think it’s expecting a lot asking a politician to follow the law.
You're right. If they weren't going to vote for Harris, to me it sounds like they're perfectly fine with another Trump presidency and the decades of consequences that would follow.
Say you need a life saving operation. Your choices are: a skilled surgeon who is suspected to have cheated on their spouse, George Clooney from the hit TV show ER, or a mediocre at best veterinarian. This is essentially the state of things. A qualified person, a fictional character, and a person who is tangentially qualified at best.
The country needs a life saving operation. Harris is extremely qualified candidate who at worst carries some of the murky ethical baggage of any career politician. Trump is not only unqualified, but uniquely contraindicated (vindictive, foreign debts, exceedingly old, litany of bonafide legal issues, unrepentant rapist). And Stein is at best a politician shaped object, who is perhaps qualified enough to be a pundit or a podcast host.
For the safety of people of color, for women, for the environment, for the rule of law, for diplomacy, for the economy, there is only one pragmatic choice, and that choice is Harris.
Nothing in Harris’ record shows she’s qualified. She’s done a measurably shit job in every position she’s been in.
Really, nothing at all qualifies her? Not her 6 years as an attorney general? Or her 4 years as a senator? Her 3 years as vice president? She's better educated, has a better resume, doesn't have 30 something felonies, and isn't 78 years old. We already tried Trump as president once and America survived by the skin of our teeth. And he has not improved as a candidate in any way in the intervening 4 years.
The horrible shit she did while working those positions hurts her more than it helps. Trump’s problems don’t erase that.
She’s also openly declaring her intent to commit a felony when in office, by arming a genocide, which is one of the worst crimes a human being can possibly commit.
You're using some pretty high flying rhetoric for someone who isn't citing any specifics. Which "horrible shit" are you most concerned with? The 20 billion dollar settlement she won for people with foreclosed homes? The 1.1 billion dollar settlement she won for defrauded students and veterans? The tie breaking votes she cast in the Senate, more than anyone in history, that helped pass among other things the 1.9 trillion dollar covid 19 stimulus, and the inflation reduction act, which generated 115 billion in tech investments and generated an estimated 95 thousand new jobs? Her explicit opposition to the death penalty? Her work against hate crimes? Her defense of the LGBTQ community? She is capable, intelligent, and proven.
Between her fighting to keep arming a genocide, fighting to withhold evidence that would’ve cleared defendants, and other crimes she’s committed in office, I think it’s clear that either way this goes we’re getting a president who does not believe they have to obey the law.
Why would European Greens be worried about the Greens getting more than 5%
I suspect they’re acting as controlled opposition to absorb activist energies. They’re openly shepherding activist voters to a capitalist party in this action.
Wasn't aware there was an anti-capitalist candidate running, but that's beside the point. Why do you accuse other countries' parties of controlled opposition? This doesn't make any sense. Are you saying they're propping up Kamala. Many European greens are more left than Stein
Yes, unfortunately the corruption of US capitalists spreads its tendrils across the globe.
There are multiple anti-capitalist candidates running this election. But US media is completely corrupted, and gives them almost zero coverage. But kinda weird you said you didn’t know there’s any running, while commenting on an article about one of them.
Most of her policies seem to be social democratic. And I find the suggestion that European politics are nothing but a US puppetshow pretty insulting.
K. Let me know when European countries stop acting as vassal states, and putting their interests after those of the US.
You're currently paying exorbitant energy prices, because the US & UK destroyed a critical pipeline, and the only people held accountable were those Europeans calling for an investigation into the terrorism.