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I realised that for some reason, I still don't know this. Why do we have different skin colors, hair textures, eyes or such? Is it just a random thing that happened or are there evolutionary reasons to it?

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Without the evolutionary pressure to maintain high melanin levels in the skin, and possibly also from interbreeding with Neanderthaal, European people's got paler.

But what's the evolutionary pressure keeping melanin levels among ethnicities that stayed black? And why does it affect people in Central and South Africa but not in North Africa and the Middle East, when both regions are about equally hot?

[–] Soapbox1858@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

It's important to think about the time scale that evolution works on. These changes happened very slowly 50,000+ years ago.

The regions near the equator where people still tend to be lighter skinned have been in contact with and interbreeding with lighter skinned people for thousands of years, plus many migrations and invasions.over the past 10,000 years.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I seem to remember that the majority traits south of Sahara (black/very dark skin, and curly hair) can be traced back to something called the "great Bantu expansion", which was essentially the result of a group of people with these traits developing agriculture and wiping out most other peoples south of Sahara, much like the Europeans did to the Americas.

Some cultures south of Sahara did survive, which can be seen both genetically, and in some languages that are completely from other languages in the area (I believe the family of languages with "clicking" sounds is an example).

I'm on my phone now, but I'll have a double check and come back.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ok, I've done some double checking: The Bantu expansion is approximately what I thought it was. I believe the language group I was thinking about that survived the Bantu expansion was the Khoisan.

My (very coarse) knowledge of this comes from a mixture of reading Jared Diamond (Guns, Germs and Steel) and from following it up with some Wikipedia. In short: The genetic makeup in a lot of the world is relatively dominated by the groups that were the first to adopt agriculture in their respective regions. Before the Bantu expansion, phenotypes south of Sahara were more varied, just like the phenotypes in the Americas were more varied before the corresponding "European expansion", or the equivalent expansion that happened in South-East Asia (I don't remember which society stood behind that one).

According to Diamond, we can trace a lot of (most?) surviving human phenotypes and languages back to relatively few societies, which after adopting agriculture, more or less wiped out / displaced neighbouring cultures due to increased resistance to a lot of infectious diseases and massively increased food production / need for land. This mostly happened less than 10 000 years ago, i.e. far too recently for natural selection to have a major impact on things like skin colour, hair type, height, facial features, etc. afterwards.

So: While major trends in phenotypes are of course a result of natural selection / evolutionary pressure in specific regions (resistance to skin cancer / sunburn vs. vitamin D production, or cooling down more efficiently with a wider nose vs. retaining heat with a slimmer one, or having an eye-shape that lets in more light vs. provides more shade), a lot of what we see today is simply a result of what phenotype the first group a given region that adopted agriculture had. This means that looking at the dominant phenotype in a region today will not necessarily give a good impression of what phenotype that is "optimally designed" to survive in the conditions of that region.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Most likely a conbination of the amount of sun exposure and other poaitive genetic mutations that happened alongside melanin levels.

An example of the complexity of genetic changes being intertwined is resistance to malaria and sickle cell anemia. The benefits of resistance to sickle cell anemia outweigh the negstives of the increased chance of sickle cell anemia so the mutation has persisted.

It is likely that North African populations had something that was beneficial as a tradeoff for their comparably lighter skin. Wearing clothing that covers a lot more of their body and having shelters from the sun could also help to mitigate some of the sun damage.

So it is complicated and most differences are due to a combination of genetic traits, they don't get passed down one trait at a time.