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Who are the good guys in the Israel/Palestine conflict? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 week ago by Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

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[–] guemax@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fighting against settler colonists who came and established an apartheid regime is not a crime.

But killing and kidnapping hundreds of innocent civilians is. You have to be clear about that, and also take a nuanced look at the whole conflict. There is no single good or bad side.

Apart from innocent Palestinians and Israelis (good) there are the terrorists (a.k.a. Hamas) who killed and kidnapped hundreds of civilians (bad). Then there is are the settlers, occupying land and terrorizing Palestinians (bad) with the help of the IDF. The Israeli government either looks away or even encourages them (bad). The IDF imprisons children, willingly destroys houses and infrastructure in Gaza and the west bank and executes "precision strikes" in areas of high population while also blocking humanitarian aid (bad).

I support chief investigator Khan's arrest warrant for Netanjahu, Galant, Deif and Haniyya. Regarding the riots after trying to arrest nine IDF soldiers for abusing a Palestinian prisoner, it is obvious that Israel won't be interested in a trial or at least not able to arrange one.

[...] an Israel that provided equal rights to all Muslims, Christians, and Jews living in its territory would be less related to the current state of Israel than modern South Africa is to Apartheid South Africa.

That is my dream. Just people living together peacefully, no matter their religion.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

But killing and kidnapping hundreds of innocent civilians is. You have to be clear about that

I am being clear.

Would you condemn the Polish resistance because they killed some of the German settlers who came to settle Poland during the 1940s? The South African anti-apartheid movement because they burned some Boers and their collaborators alive? Or would you say the oppressor doesn't get to judge the morality of the tactics the oppressed use?

Requiring every antizionist to constantly stop to condemn Hamas creates a false equivalency between the people who are inside a concentration camp and the people keeping them there.

That is my dream. Just people living together peacefully, no matter their religion.

This is what existed before Israel, and god willing, it's what we'll have after Israel.

[–] guemax@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago

I no longer see any point in this discussion. I will not argue with someone who sympathizes with the crimes of Hamas. Have a nice day.